Re: HTML node names: Not emitting 'Top (Manual name)'</span></a></span> </h1> <p class="darkgray font13"> <span class="sender pipe"><a href="/search?l=help-texinfo@gnu.org&q=from:%22Gavin+Smith%22" rel="nofollow"><span itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><span itemprop="name">Gavin Smith</span></span></a></span> <span class="date"><a href="/search?l=help-texinfo@gnu.org&q=date:20240314" rel="nofollow">Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:09:21 -0700</a></span> </p> </div> <div itemprop="articleBody" class="msgBody"> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <pre>On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 09:25:44PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Nobody complained about this breaking any stability. > > Ha! the amount of grief those changes caused the Emacs maintainers is > beyond complaining. We have a script that massages the produced HTML > manuals for the Web site, and we run the script each time another > Emacs version is released and the manual needs to be updated on the > Web site. Every single release of Texinfo, until very recently, would > break the script and cause me personally and my colleagues a lot of > gray hair wand wasted time. So much so that I seriously considered to > stop updating to the latest Texinfo on the system where I usually work > on Emacs releases. Finally, a few Texinfo versions ago, these changes > have stopped, and we had a few Emacs releases without a single problem > in this area. No longer, it looks like... > > And no, I didn't complain, because I never imagined (and don't imagine > now) that someone would seriously consider backing out the offending > changes, just because one project suffers from them. But you'd be > wrong taking silence for a sign of no problems.</pre><pre> By all means, if changing the page title for the Top node causes significant problems, we can avoid making this change. But it is hard to imagine why it would cause a problem. I don't mind avoiding this time for the time being, if it is felt there has been a lot of change to the HTML output recently. Once things settle down, we could revisit this. > Once again: IME making breaking changes "just because we can" is not > the best strategy for stable projects. But I'm not a Texinfo > maintainer, so my opinions on this probably doesn't mean much... 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