Re: [hlcoders] FP charging

[Nathan Taylor]

but if u gave them permission to make mirrors of the game whenever there was a patch when it first came out couldn't they just mirror whenever?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Dynerman David M Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging   What do you mean by predetermined agreement.   If they snag a new version of FLF off some other mirror where I uploaded it to, that’s not getting my permission.   david   -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:20 PM To: HLCoders Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging   What makes you say that?  Isn't it possible that there was a predetermined agreement?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Dynerman David M Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging   Right. But as a mod author, what choice do you have for large scale file distribution if you refuse to use FilePlanet? Telefragged's filesystem is all-but dead, cdrom.com is dead. Also, I have an inkling that FP never asked for our permission with FLF. They just saw a new version up, and went ahead and mirrored it (and now they're charging for it) david -----Original Message----- From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging There is a difference however, if u want the files from FP u dont HAVE to pay, just wait. If you want the files on a CD you have to pay. Also I'm assuming that if you want a file on FP you have to submit it for it to be hosted, where as any monkey with a CD-RW drive can make up a CD and flog it, by submitting your files u are giving permission for those files to be distubuted, same goes for demos on magazine cover CD's, they request permission, which has to be given, before including it, you pay £5 for mag + CD but the ppl who made the demo etc dont see any of it. As for costing, I've had a quick look at dedicated hosting, it weights in at $399.95/month plus the same for setup, and this gives u 25gig of transfer, more than that is gonna cost ya more. As you can see, it's not cheap (you could possible get a better deal but that's besides the point) Now, assume FP has say, 6 servers, ya looking at nearly $2K a month THATS what u are paying for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynerman David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b But earlier, didn't we establish that selling a CD with mods on it for more than $0.89 (or the cost of a CD) was illegal? I'm not sure how much the bandwidth costs divided up are, but I have an inkling that $6.99 a month is substantially more bandwidth then I personally would use. Kinda like burning a CDROM with Counter-Strike, FLF, and DOD on it, then selling it for $1.00 (for the cost of the CD of course!) and then $8.00 shipping and handling. david -----Original Message----- From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you are paying for the upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the bandwidth the servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank you' with a personal server. For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a year that's not really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM users than dialup however. It's time to face the fact that the time of the 'free internet' is all but gone, because of the costs and the lack of advert money now around, if you want fast service, ya gonna have to pay for things. Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2 unpopular ones) I've download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for them, thus I've never seen that problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > the problem is, most of the time there are only the personal servers and > *ONE* mirror for most of the files. > > im not paying $30 or so to download free things. > add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus hardware. somewhere, > somebodies getting seriously ripped off. > paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going to pay to > download *FREE* patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely wrong. > > > -omega > Blackened Interactive > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "_Phantom_" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are up as well, I've > > never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of the main > servers > > (last one was RtCW multiplayer demo) > > I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the free system > > > > As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can maintain the system, > > revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys like this used to > use > > to maintain the opertations have all but vanished, if they dont charge > they > > will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for something like > > fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays their $x, I forget > > how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are turning a huge profit > > as they dont charge per download, just per month/year) > > > > If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and tell 'em to stop, > > as you are the copyright holder of the work then they have no choice (as I > > understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I produce something I > > want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl chose to spend > some > > $$$$ to download files quicker, all power to 'em I say. > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Get more from the Web. 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