I spose but they still have a tendancy to eat other people up. Personally, I don't give jack if PHL starts hosting a new mapper but they seem to think everrone will so they put a huge blurb that proceeds any other news for that day. But if another big site on a different domain is launched or it is not something from GSI it gets thrown out. Know what I mean? Lakario ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly PHL is a large site though, and there is already alot of hl news, so I think they have to filter out the stuff which they think only a few people will want to read ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly
<rant> PHL is very strange when it comes to new I think. I sent them some pimpage about a mod called The Wind and they seem to just throw away my email. I then sent them email about my site ModDev.net and once again they threw away my email (multiple times) finally, I sent them [1] letter about The Wind which had a screenshot and it was literally up in minutes. They seem very particular about what they post it seems. I mean if I mailed them and was announcing Counter-Strike 2 but had no content, no images, nadda they would spiel for pages whereas I send them something about Mod X and they throw out the email instantanously.</rant> Lakario ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly I would have to agree with a little on the PHL subject, since they seem to take over most of the MOD Coverage seen just because they get backing from gamespy. they really seem to be picky on what they host and post about. It really pisses me off when some of the little lesser know mods never get there info posted on the site. About the FP charging issue, i have a personal server thing myself and i can say when FP was in the shitter because of the whole file hosting thing and setup this que it really screwed over downloading from therem. When the new HL patch came out it was almost a 2000min wait that is BS and i in most cases do not like there system and i think charging is lame and i agree with those who see the same in that sence
Wacko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel Aleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly
> See, I would be ok with Fileplanet letting people pay extra for "Dedicated > Servers" if they didn't fuck their public ones. I never had a problem before > the que was setup, it was just alittle slow. Now its REALLY slow if you take > into account 15 min+ wait times. Also, if you haven't noticed, they have ads > which you cannot close in the wait window. $$$ > > Also, is it just me, or does PlanetHL screw some mods and make other ones? > It seems they have a fetish with some mediocre mods and leave some good ones > out. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > if you read what i said, i did say that some do. > > > > -omega > > Blackened Interactive > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neale Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > Actually, the GSI staff *do* get paid, as do some of the Planet*.com > > > webmasters. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > ive been away for most of the day so i didnt get back in on this stuff > > > till > > > > now. > > > > > > > > but anyway, thats basically what im saying. the services now are > almost > > > > exactly the same as they were before, 9x out of 10 theres one free > > mirror, > > > > and 2 personal servers on stuff that used to have 3 mirrors. > > > > > > > > so again, i re-iterate. i will not pay to download the free things. > also > > > > phantom, as you said al ittle while ago. gsi staff dosent get paid. > > > neither > > > > does phl or any of the other planet workers. > > > > well, jeh and LI might. cuz i know back when hl.net went down they > > offered > > > > shirow a buncha money to work for them, even tho he declined. > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Andrew Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever tired to get the Counter-Strike patch on it's > release? > > > The > > > > > same time 1.1.0.8 came out? I had wait times of 850 minutes. at 1000 > > > > logins > > > > > allowed per server, two servers. and two 90mb files. that's not > > > economics. > > > > > that's scalping. FP lowered it's max connects to make room for the > > > > personal > > > > > servers. all you get is a unique U/P to connect to the FP servers. > it > > > > costs > > > > > them nothing but a little time to do. FP is basically a monopoly. > > hard > > > to > > > > > believe, eh? they used to be good, but now they are a spammy, slow, > > lame > > > > FTP > > > > > site, with long lines. </rant> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: _Phantom_ > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:43 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not really ethics, it's economics (sp?), those who can afford > > to > > > > buy > > > > > the space and the speed will, those who cant wont. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:36 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > Both your points are right on. > > > > > > > > > > However, thinking more in the realistic sense - I've seen wait times > > of > > > > 700 > > > > > minutes for a download during peak times. > > > > > > > > > > So the ethical question again arises; sure you can wait several > hours > > to > > > > > download that 2 megabyte mod, or you can dish out the $7. > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: John Newfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:31 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > It would be selling your work ONLY if they said that the only way to > > get > > > > the > > > > > file would be to own a personal server. > > > > > > > > > > I actually love fileplanet.. the queue system works great. Instead > of > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of people having slow downloads, a portion of them can have really > > fast > > > > > downloads while the rest wait. I have never waited too long for > > > > something... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: _Phantom_ > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:40 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > But, the point is, they are not selling your work, they are selling > a > > > > faster > > > > > download (either speed, or not having to queue or both) the fact > that > > > it's > > > > > something you want to download is inmaterial (sp?). > > > > > Also, in the case of FLF it's a HL mod, which, by the nature of the > > EULA > > > > you > > > > > are not allowed to charge for, now, if you tried to make FP pay u > some > > > > > money, you break the EULA coz you are making money from the MOD. > > > > > FP on the other hand are not charging for the mod, they are charging > > for > > > > the > > > > > service used to get the mod, yes, but not the mod it's self. > > > > > > > > > > This is an intresting area, because this is the first time something > > > like > > > > > this has happened as far as I know (a company opionaly charging for > > the > > > > > method of getting the files and not the files its self), and as you > > can > > > > see > > > > > from my above arguement it's a very gray area. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:13 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > Well of course I won't complain - I want people to be able to > download > > > my > > > > > mod. > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the law isn't reactive like you're implying. With > large > > > > > corporations such as GSI, I shouldn't have to patrol FP looking for > > > > > violations - they should not be breaking the law in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > What we're discussing is the ethical implications of FP essentially > > > making > > > > > money off our work. > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:10 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > If you have a problem with it, complain to them, as it yours you > have > > > the > > > > > right to do that. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:00 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by predetermined agreement. > > > > > > > > > > If they snag a new version of FLF off some other mirror where I > > uploaded > > > > it > > > > > to, that's not getting my permission. > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Nathan Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:20 PM > > > > > To: HLCoders > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > What makes you say that? Isn't it possible that there was a > > > predetermined > > > > > agreement? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:07 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > But as a mod author, what choice do you have for large scale file > > > > > distribution if you refuse to use FilePlanet? > > > > > > > > > > Telefragged's filesystem is all-but dead, cdrom.com is dead. > > > > > > > > > > Also, I have an inkling that FP never asked for our permission with > > FLF. > > > > > They just saw a new version up, and went ahead and mirrored it (and > > now > > > > > they're charging for it) > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:02 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference however, if u want the files from FP u dont > HAVE > > > > > to > > > > > pay, just wait. > > > > > If you want the files on a CD you have to pay. > > > > > Also I'm assuming that if you want a file on FP you have to submit > it > > > > > for it > > > > > to be hosted, where as any monkey with a CD-RW drive can make up a > CD > > > > > and > > > > > flog it, by submitting your files u are giving permission for those > > > > > files to > > > > > be distubuted, same goes for demos on magazine cover CD's, they > > request > > > > > permission, which has to be given, before including it, you pay £5 > for > > > > > mag + > > > > > CD but the ppl who made the demo etc dont see any of it. > > > > > > > > > > As for costing, I've had a quick look at dedicated hosting, it > weights > > > > > in at > > > > > $399.95/month plus the same for setup, and this gives u 25gig of > > > > > transfer, > > > > > more than that is gonna cost ya more. > > > > > As you can see, it's not cheap (you could possible get a better deal > > but > > > > > that's besides the point) > > > > > Now, assume FP has say, 6 servers, ya looking at nearly $2K a month > > > > > THATS what u are paying for. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dynerman David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:43 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But earlier, didn't we establish that selling a CD with mods on it > for > > > > > more than $0.89 (or the cost of a CD) was illegal? > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how much the bandwidth costs divided up are, but I have > > an > > > > > inkling that $6.99 a month is substantially more bandwidth then I > > > > > personally would use. > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like burning a CDROM with Counter-Strike, FLF, and DOD on it, > > then > > > > > selling it for $1.00 (for the cost of the CD of course!) and then > > $8.00 > > > > > shipping and handling. > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:29 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you are > > > > > paying > > > > > for the upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the bandwidth > the > > > > > servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank you' with a personal > > > > > server. > > > > > For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a year > that's > > > > > not > > > > > really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM users than > > > > > dialup > > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > It's time to face the fact that the time of the 'free internet' is > all > > > > > but > > > > > gone, because of the costs and the lack of advert money now around, > if > > > > > you > > > > > want fast service, ya gonna have to pay for things. > > > > > > > > > > Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2 unpopular > ones) > > > > > I've > > > > > download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for them, > > thus > > > > > I've > > > > > never seen that problem. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem is, most of the time there are only the personal > servers > > > > > and > > > > > > *ONE* mirror for most of the files. > > > > > > > > > > > > im not paying $30 or so to download free things. > > > > > > add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus hardware. > > > > > somewhere, > > > > > > somebodies getting seriously ripped off. > > > > > > paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going to > pay > > to > > > > > > download *FREE* patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "_Phantom_" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are up as > > well, > > > > > I've > > > > > > > never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of the > > main > > > > > > servers > > > > > > > (last one was RtCW multiplayer demo) > > > > > > > I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the free > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can maintain > the > > > > > system, > > > > > > > revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys like this > > > > > used to > > > > > > use > > > > > > > to maintain the opertations have all but vanished, if they dont > > > > > charge > > > > > > they > > > > > > > will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for > something > > > > > like > > > > > > > fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays their $x, > I > > > > > forget > > > > > > > how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are turning a > > huge > > > > > profit > > > > > > > as they dont charge per download, just per month/year) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and tell > 'em > > to > > > > > stop, > > > > > > > as you are the copyright holder of the work then they have no > > choice > > > > > (as > > > > > I > > > > > > > understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I produce > > > > > something > > > > > I > > > > > > > want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl chose > to > > > > > spend > > > > > > some > > > > > > > $$$$ to download files quicker, all power to 'em I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > 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