Perhaps. But a website that gets "major major hits" is non existent aside from CS. CS probably gets more hits a month than Blues News or PHL.
The point is, other hosts will offer you a domain name, and much more, without having to make a mod that is more popular than many commercial games. david -----Original Message----- From: andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly well, i mean i know they would not host it, and it really is all about the money when it should not be. But i guess i am trying to say they would host your domain if you where getting major major hits. So to say GSI doesn't would be wrong. I to be honest do not like Gamespy but they do a good job on taking over those things that are any threat to them in the gaming market when it comes to coverage. We should all rally lets take them down MUHAHAHAHAHAHA. we can offer better hosting, more bandwidth, and even a cool news posting script with our name on it. we could call it GAMESPY 2. wacko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynerman David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > CS.net is an exception to the rule. > > Go ahead and ask them to host your domain, point out that CS has its own domain, see what they say. > > I tried it, no dice. > > They were willing to do it because CS has 20 times the popularity of Quake 3, no other mod, including popular ones like DOD or FireArms would be offered that deal. > > david > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neale Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > > I think when GSI took over the hosting of CS.net, they would have had a > fight on their hands to force gooseman et al to change it to a Planet*.com > site. It's all about the hits, and CS.net has to be getting a truckload of > hits every day. Changing it would just mess things up. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > > > > I would just like to reply to david M's comment about having to be on a > > planet site. if i recall counter-strike.net is hosted by gamespy so to say > > they do not host domains would be a lie. They hots thing that will get > them > > money > > > > wacko > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > > > > > > > they do. > > > they take really lame ones that dont meet their 75% completion mark as > > their > > > hosting regulations request, and then leave ones that do have that > > > percentile hanging. ie: snowwar. they hosted it at like 0.1%. and back > > > before i killed mmxhl, when we needed a host, before it started sucking > > > hard, i tried to get hosting on it, we already HAD a release, were mod > of > > > teh week once and they wouldnt host us because "you dont have 75% > > > completion". which was utter bull. and of course they will NOT post news > > for > > > american heros because when galadriel was working for them she > badmouthed > > > OMA and now they totally ignore it. its just ludicrous. > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > Blackened Interactive > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Miguel Aleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL Monopoly > > > > > > > > > > See, I would be ok with Fileplanet letting people pay extra for > > "Dedicated > > > > Servers" if they didn't fuck their public ones. I never had a problem > > > before > > > > the que was setup, it was just alittle slow. Now its REALLY slow if > you > > > take > > > > into account 15 min+ wait times. Also, if you haven't noticed, they > have > > > ads > > > > which you cannot close in the wait window. $$$ > > > > > > > > Also, is it just me, or does PlanetHL screw some mods and make other > > ones? > > > > It seems they have a fetish with some mediocre mods and leave some > good > > > ones > > > > out. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:17 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you read what i said, i did say that some do. > > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Neale Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:17 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the GSI staff *do* get paid, as do some of the > Planet*.com > > > > > > webmasters. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:28 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ive been away for most of the day so i didnt get back in on this > > > stuff > > > > > > till > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but anyway, thats basically what im saying. the services now are > > > > almost > > > > > > > exactly the same as they were before, 9x out of 10 theres one > free > > > > > mirror, > > > > > > > and 2 personal servers on stuff that used to have 3 mirrors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so again, i re-iterate. i will not pay to download the free > > things. > > > > also > > > > > > > phantom, as you said al ittle while ago. gsi staff dosent get > > paid. > > > > > > neither > > > > > > > does phl or any of the other planet workers. > > > > > > > well, jeh and LI might. cuz i know back when hl.net went down > they > > > > > offered > > > > > > > shirow a buncha money to work for them, even tho he declined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Andrew Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:35 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever tired to get the Counter-Strike patch on it's > > > > release? > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > same time 1.1.0.8 came out? I had wait times of 850 minutes. > at > > > 1000 > > > > > > > logins > > > > > > > > allowed per server, two servers. and two 90mb files. that's > not > > > > > > economics. > > > > > > > > that's scalping. FP lowered it's max connects to make room for > > the > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > servers. all you get is a unique U/P to connect to the FP > > servers. > > > > it > > > > > > > costs > > > > > > > > them nothing but a little time to do. FP is basically a > > monopoly. > > > > > hard > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > believe, eh? they used to be good, but now they are a spammy, > > > slow, > > > > > lame > > > > > > > FTP > > > > > > > > site, with long lines. </rant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:43 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not really ethics, it's economics (sp?), those who can > > > afford > > > > > to > > > > > > > buy > > > > > > > > the space and the speed will, those who cant wont. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:36 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both your points are right on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, thinking more in the realistic sense - I've seen wait > > > times > > > > > of > > > > > > > 700 > > > > > > > > minutes for a download during peak times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the ethical question again arises; sure you can wait > several > > > > hours > > > > > to > > > > > > > > download that 2 megabyte mod, or you can dish out the $7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: John Newfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:31 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be selling your work ONLY if they said that the only > > way > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > file would be to own a personal server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually love fileplanet.. the queue system works great. > > Instead > > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > of people having slow downloads, a portion of them can have > > really > > > > > fast > > > > > > > > downloads while the rest wait. I have never waited too long > for > > > > > > > something... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:40 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, the point is, they are not selling your work, they are > > > selling > > > > a > > > > > > > faster > > > > > > > > download (either speed, or not having to queue or both) the > fact > > > > that > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > something you want to download is inmaterial (sp?). > > > > > > > > Also, in the case of FLF it's a HL mod, which, by the nature > of > > > the > > > > > EULA > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are not allowed to charge for, now, if you tried to make FP > pay > > u > > > > some > > > > > > > > money, you break the EULA coz you are making money from the > MOD. > > > > > > > > FP on the other hand are not charging for the mod, they are > > > charging > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > service used to get the mod, yes, but not the mod it's self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an intresting area, because this is the first time > > > something > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > this has happened as far as I know (a company opionaly > charging > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > method of getting the files and not the files its self), and > as > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > from my above arguement it's a very gray area. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:13 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well of course I won't complain - I want people to be able to > > > > download > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mod. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the law isn't reactive like you're implying. > With > > > > large > > > > > > > > corporations such as GSI, I shouldn't have to patrol FP > looking > > > for > > > > > > > > violations - they should not be breaking the law in the first > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we're discussing is the ethical implications of FP > > > essentially > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > money off our work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:10 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a problem with it, complain to them, as it yours > you > > > > have > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right to do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:00 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by predetermined agreement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they snag a new version of FLF off some other mirror where > I > > > > > uploaded > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > to, that's not getting my permission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Nathan Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:20 PM > > > > > > > > To: HLCoders > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What makes you say that? Isn't it possible that there was a > > > > > > predetermined > > > > > > > > agreement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Dynerman David M > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:07 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as a mod author, what choice do you have for large scale > > file > > > > > > > > distribution if you refuse to use FilePlanet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telefragged's filesystem is all-but dead, cdrom.com is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I have an inkling that FP never asked for our permission > > > with > > > > > FLF. > > > > > > > > They just saw a new version up, and went ahead and mirrored it > > > (and > > > > > now > > > > > > > > they're charging for it) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:02 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference however, if u want the files from FP u > > dont > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pay, just wait. > > > > > > > > If you want the files on a CD you have to pay. > > > > > > > > Also I'm assuming that if you want a file on FP you have to > > submit > > > > it > > > > > > > > for it > > > > > > > > to be hosted, where as any monkey with a CD-RW drive can make > up > > a > > > > CD > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > flog it, by submitting your files u are giving permission for > > > those > > > > > > > > files to > > > > > > > > be distubuted, same goes for demos on magazine cover CD's, > they > > > > > request > > > > > > > > permission, which has to be given, before including it, you > pay > > £5 > > > > for > > > > > > > > mag + > > > > > > > > CD but the ppl who made the demo etc dont see any of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for costing, I've had a quick look at dedicated hosting, it > > > > weights > > > > > > > > in at > > > > > > > > $399.95/month plus the same for setup, and this gives u 25gig > of > > > > > > > > transfer, > > > > > > > > more than that is gonna cost ya more. > > > > > > > > As you can see, it's not cheap (you could possible get a > better > > > deal > > > > > but > > > > > > > > that's besides the point) > > > > > > > > Now, assume FP has say, 6 servers, ya looking at nearly $2K a > > > month > > > > > > > > THATS what u are paying for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Dynerman David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:43 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But earlier, didn't we establish that selling a CD with mods > on > > it > > > > for > > > > > > > > more than $0.89 (or the cost of a CD) was illegal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how much the bandwidth costs divided up are, but > I > > > have > > > > > an > > > > > > > > inkling that $6.99 a month is substantially more bandwidth > then > > I > > > > > > > > personally would use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like burning a CDROM with Counter-Strike, FLF, and DOD > on > > > it, > > > > > then > > > > > > > > selling it for $1.00 (for the cost of the CD of course!) and > > then > > > > > $8.00 > > > > > > > > shipping and handling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > david > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: _Phantom_ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:29 AM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you > > are > > > > > > > > paying > > > > > > > > for the upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the > > bandwidth > > > > the > > > > > > > > servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank you' with a > > personal > > > > > > > > server. > > > > > > > > For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a > year > > > > that's > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM > users > > > than > > > > > > > > dialup > > > > > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's time to face the fact that the time of the 'free > internet' > > is > > > > all > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > gone, because of the costs and the lack of advert money now > > > around, > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > want fast service, ya gonna have to pay for things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2 > unpopular > > > > ones) > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for > > them, > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > never seen that problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem is, most of the time there are only the personal > > > > servers > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > *ONE* mirror for most of the files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > im not paying $30 or so to download free things. > > > > > > > > > add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus > > hardware. > > > > > > > > somewhere, > > > > > > > > > somebodies getting seriously ripped off. > > > > > > > > > paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going > > to > > > > pay > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > download *FREE* patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -omega > > > > > > > > > Blackened Interactive > > > > > > > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened > > > > > > > > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive > > > > > > > > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "_Phantom_" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are > up > > as > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > > > never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of > > the > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > servers > > > > > > > > > > (last one was RtCW multiplayer demo) > > > > > > > > > > I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the > free > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can > > maintain > > > > the > > > > > > > > system, > > > > > > > > > > revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys > like > > > this > > > > > > > > used to > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > to maintain the opertations have all but vanished, if they > > > dont > > > > > > > > charge > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for > > > > something > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays > their > > > $x, > > > > I > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are > turning > > a > > > > > huge > > > > > > > > profit > > > > > > > > > > as they dont charge per download, just per month/year) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and > > tell > > > > 'em > > > > > to > > > > > > > > stop, > > > > > > > > > > as you are the copyright holder of the work then they have > > no > > > > > choice > > > > > > > > (as > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I > > produce > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl > > chose > > > > to > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > $$$$ to download files quicker, all power to 'em I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > archives, > > > > > > > > please visit: > > > > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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