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They're not trying to 'thwart' them.
You have to realize it's a matter of priority.
You typically don't get support for anything that the game is going to have
in situations like this. Look at any other game; unless it's something that
benefits the host game, or is designed for the host game, you don't
specifically have it.
The problem is simply, there isn't anyone dedicated to doing "extra" stuff
like that.Ie: the biggest complaint; lack of a real multiplayer vehicle.
Well, the hardcore facts are, until valve decides: "Okay, our next game is
going to be multiplayer vehicular combat" the likeliness of actually seeing
them sit down and dedicate time AND money to writing a multiplayer vehicle,
which they aren't going to use is rather slim.
Does that make sense to you? Think about it this way; it's the same as with
a mod.
Are you going to sit there and implement a bunch of features that you're not
going to use, just for the sake of "okay, well we aren't using y feature,
but lets just make people happy and spend x hours on y feature just so they
don't bitch, even if it's never going to be used in our mod."
It's common sense.
-Tony
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate to rain on your bash valve parade...
>
> But this is in the Orange Box SDK:
>
>
> //--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> // Purpose: Interface from engine to tools for manipulating entities
>
> //--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> class IServerTools : public IBaseInterface
> {
> public:
> virtual IServerEntity *GetIServerEntity( IClientEntity
> *pClientEntity ) = 0;
> virtual bool SnapPlayerToPosition( const Vector &org, const QAngle
> &ang, IClientEntity *pClientPlayer = NULL ) = 0;
> virtual bool GetPlayerPosition( Vector &org, QAngle &ang,
> IClientEntity *pClientPlayer = NULL ) = 0;
> virtual bool SetPlayerFOV( int fov, IClientEntity *pClientPlayer =
> NULL ) = 0;
> virtual int GetPlayerFOV( IClientEntity *pClientPlayer = NULL ) =
> 0;
> virtual bool IsInNoClipMode( IClientEntity *pClientPlayer = NULL )
> =
> 0;
>
> // entity searching
> virtual void *FirstEntity( void ) = 0;
> virtual void *NextEntity( void *pEntity ) = 0;
> virtual void *FindEntityByHammerID( int iHammerID ) = 0;
>
> // entity query
> virtual bool GetKeyValue( void *pEntity, const char *szField, char
> *szValue, int iMaxLen ) = 0;
> virtual bool SetKeyValue( void *pEntity, const char *szField, const
> char *szValue ) = 0;
> virtual bool SetKeyValue( void *pEntity, const char *szField, float
> flValue ) = 0;
> virtual bool SetKeyValue( void *pEntity, const char *szField, const
> Vector &vecValue ) = 0;
>
> // entity spawning
> virtual void *CreateEntityByName( const char *szClassName ) = 0;
> virtual void DispatchSpawn( void *pEntity ) = 0;
>
> // This reloads a portion or all of a particle definition file.
> // It's up to the server to decide if it cares about this file
> // Use a UtlBuffer to crack the data
> virtual void ReloadParticleDefintions( const char *pFileName, const
> void *pBufData, int nLen ) = 0;
>
> virtual void AddOriginToPVS( const Vector &org ) = 0;
> };
>
> #define VSERVERTOOLS_INTERFACE_VERSION "VSERVERTOOLS001"
>
> Oh, I wonder what this could be...
>
> virtual void *CreateEntityByName( const char *szClassName ) = 0;
>
> Oh and...
>
> virtual void *FirstEntity( void ) = 0;
> virtual void *NextEntity( void *pEntity ) = 0;
>
> Oh baby! We're getting raunchy now!
>
> Perhaps when CSS gets upgraded to the Orangebox engine this will be made
> available. It works in TF2 at least.
>
> Regardless of what valve does to try and limit plug-ins, programmers will
> find ways around it.
>
> I think valve should welcome plug-ins, not try and thwart them. Not
> everybody wants to make a full blown mod, the original plug-in SDK was a
> sad
> joke. With regards to the HudMsg in CSS, I fully agree.
>
> One of what I believed to be AdminMOD's trademark (the pretty center
> says),
> removed from the new game purposely... by the creator of AdminMOD!
>
> But, center says work in TF2... but perhaps I should not speak so loudly
> cause valve might hear it, though with the new additions in the Orangebox
> engine, I think valve is improving. Let's hope it continues.
>
> Bash valve all you want (I do it too!), but they are leaps and bounds
> ahead
> of other companies when it comes to customization.
>
> I'll give them credit where it's due.
>
> - voogru.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:50 PM
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Requesting (again): ent_fire and ent_name APIs for
> Server Plugins?
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> My point was that that is going to be the only way. Not only has Valve
> made
> it clear that mod-specific API items won't be provided, they've removed as
> much as possible the functionality of plugins.
>
> As an example, remember the SpawnEntityByName function (from June 2005)?
> That function has long been removed from the codebase. - Alfred
> Spawning entities into a map from a plugin is not supported. - Alfred
> We are more concerned with giving people consistent gameplay rather than
> any specific cheat problem. You would be amazed at the number of people
> that get confused (i.e email us complaining) when joining a HL1 based
> server with some of the noisier mods (I am looking at the warcraft3
> superhero mod here...). - Alfred
>
> Or another example, the HudMsg that allows you to print text anywhere on
> the
> screen? The font definition was intentionally removed from
> ClientSchemes.res to prevent plugins from using HudMsg.
>
> I'm 95% certain they won't add that. Properly done, signature scans don't
> break that often. I haven't had to find a new signature for CSS in a long
> time. Usually when one of mine is invalid it's because I've missed a wild
> card flag.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Saul Rennison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > The problem is, LDuke, Mattie doesn't want to add hacks and signature
> > scans to EventScripts (or whatever he wants it for), as it can break
> > pretty easily with an update or maybe throughout mods. Especially ones
> > that change the core.
> >
> > LDuke wrote:
> > > --
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> > > That's what I've done...sig scan for the event queue and some of the
> > > overloads of AddEvent. With CreateNamedEntity, KeyValues, and
> AddEvent,
> > you
> > > can do some cool stuff. For example, I have a trip mine setup that
> > works
> > > completely based on those three things without need for the plugin to
> > > monitor players and see which player's tripmine killed which player.
> > >
> > > It would be nice to have access to those things via plugins without
> > hacking,
> > > but so far we haven't seen much in the way of access to mod-specific
> > > functions.
> > >
> > >
> >
> --
>
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