Wow... You sure are one smart cookie... :/ > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Pamela Foster & Frank Baxter > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:28 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds] Re: hlds digest, Vol 1 #4475 - 4 msgs > > REMOVE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:24 PM > Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #4475 - 4 msgs > > > > Send hlds mailing list submissions to > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Windows2k Pro Vs Fedora Core 4/5 64 (kyle) > > 2. Re: can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it told vac > to do so (logs > > contained) (Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn)) > > 3. Re: can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it told vac to do > > so (logs contained) (David Williams) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:11:06 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > > From: "kyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows2k Pro Vs Fedora Core 4/5 64 > > Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > lol, someone's been smoking crack. > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Stuart Stegall > > Date: 03/19/06 20:28:11 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows2k Pro Vs Fedora Core 4/5 64 > > > > From just a straight performance comparison (not from a > > breakage/support standpoint), then for the hlds games, there is > > basically no difference between the two platforms (technically I've > > found that disk operations happen faster on the linux hlds, > but really > > it makes no difference except like 1 second on REALLY big maps) > > > > Now for srcds it does seems as though there's a very measurable > > performance diffference between the two platforms, with the Windows > > server outperforming the Linux server on the same hardware with > > basically the same tweaks (mainly the timer tweaks that > apply to both > > platforms). My platform hardware is Dell 2800 Xeon P4 2.8 > or Aberdeen > > Stonehaven A141s with Opteron 248s, 252s, or 254s all running either > > Win2k3R2 or Gentoo Linux (2.6.15.1 with some patches > related to latency.) > > > > kyle wrote: > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> I run a P4 3.0 gig with one gig of ram, running fedoracore > 4 and i have > >> never run a more stable server. i have run strictly win2k > in the past > >> and > >> now that i have run the linux distro ill never go back to win2k > >> > >> currently running two dod 1.3 servers at 1X32 slot with > amxmodx/metamod > > and > >> 1X13 slot private match server with no addons. im also > running 1x20 slot > >> HLTV server. > >> the cpu stays well below 70% when the 32 slot server is > full. this > > server > >> is also Boosted. > >> > >> The hit reg on a win2k server with Tick set at 100 is not > as good as the > >> fedora with that same 100 tick. the only way to > achieve the same hit > > reg > >> with a win2k box is to tweak the quantums in the registry. Be > >> careful > >> doing this if your not sure what your doing. > >> Here is a link to a tutorial for tweaking the win OS quantums > >> > http://www.ethugsrus.net/home/modules.php?name=Forums&file=vie > wtopic&t=199 > >> -------Original Message------- > >> > >> From: Neil Cumming > >> Date: 03/19/06 10:52:48 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: [hlds] Windows2k Pro Vs Fedora Core 4/5 64 > >> > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> I realise this is Windows list, but im just wondering if > any admins have > > any > >> performance comparisions between Windows 2k pro and Fedora Core 4/5 > >> 64bit, > >> running with an AMD64 Athlon chip for both HLDS and SRCDS. > I have a box > > with > >> the following specs: > >> > >> Windows 2000 Pro. > >> AMD64 Athlon 3400+ (Socket 754) > >> 1GB RAM. > >> > >> I run a few servers on the box, but wondering if I would get more > >> performance and stability if i switched to a linux 64bit OS. I cant > >> afford > > a > >> 64bit Windows OS unfortunatly. Any thoughts appreciated :) > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release > Date: 17/03/2006 > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:17:15 +1100 > > From: "Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it > told vac to do > > so (logs contained) > > Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Try taking off all addons / mods from your server, restart > it and see if > > he > > still gets banned or kicked or what ever. > > Then post the logs again. > > > > On 3/20/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> well the only mods/plugns i have are mani beta L and > hlstats. Since i > >> posted the logs i have rechecked all the possible ban > list's and come up > >> with nothing. And hlstats is definielty reporting a vac > ban. so all i > >> can say is wtf and if it's not a vac ban and i am postivie > it's not my > >> plugins so what is it > >> > >> Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) wrote: > >> > >> >-- > >> >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> >It looks like something else is banning him, not VAC. Must be some > >> >random > >> >plugin. But you said earlier that he could play for a > bit, and then VAC > >> >would kick him. That sounds a bit like a VAC ban. > >> > > >> >Hello trog :) > >> > > >> >On 3/20/06, David Williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >> >>-- > >> >>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> >>the log for the original instance is > >> >>http://www.noquestionsasked.co.uk/downloads/l0319075.log > this contains > >> >>2 > >> >>instances for 2 seperate ppl (1 each) > >> >> > >> >>then it repeats but instead of 5 min bans they become permenant > >> >> > >> > >><http://www.noquestionsasked.co.uk/downloads/l0319075.log>here's the > >> >>log > >> >>of the second instance. > >> >> > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:38:45: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<54><STEAM_0:0:2237506><CT>" disconnected (reason > "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T* timed out") > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:39:39: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<62><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>" > >> >>connected, address "222.153.231.100:10661" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:39:39: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<62><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" disconnected (reason "STEAM UserID > >> >>STEAM_0:0:2237506 is banned") > >> >> > >> >>[at this point problem had been brought to my attention > and i check the > >> >>ban_list.cfg file and removed 2 entries which had > magically appeared] > >> >> > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:43:56: "gapontiac97<63><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>" > >> >>connected, address "172.131.229.68:27005" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:43:58: > "gapontiac97<63><STEAM_0:0:10570579><>" STEAM > >> >>USERID validated > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:32: server_cvar: "mp_timelimit" "40" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:32: CONSOLE : System vote extended > map by 20 > >> minutes > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:43: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<64><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>" > >> >>connected, address "222.153.231.100:10734" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:45: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" STEAM USERID validated > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:03: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" entered the game > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:10: "Console<0><Console><Console>" > say "Player [ > >> >>{NQA:S} Malfurion *T* ] - zBlock Authenticated" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:13: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >> >>*T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><Unassigned>" joined team "CT" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:15: World triggered "Game_Commencing" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:18: > >> >>"{NQA:S}|M3PH|*cl*<38><STEAM_0:0:2411455><TERRORIST>" triggered > >> >>"Got_The_Bomb" > >> >>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:22: World triggered "Round_Start" > >> >> > >> >>now it does it again but leave no entry in the > banned_user.cfg and here > >> >>is where we are now > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Ook wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>Can you post the logs here? I'd (and I'm sure others) > would like to > >> >>>see > >> >>>them. By examining the logs, we might be able to shed > some light on > >> this > >> >>>mystery. > >> >>> > >> >>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:48 PM > >> >>>Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told vac > >> >>>to do > >> >>>so > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>that is correct, we tested it. Also if he restarts > steam he can join > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>for > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>a lil while before vac kicks him. of ig he joins then > leaves straight > >> >>>>away he won't get back in. anyone else think this is > strange. Also if > >> >>>>there is nothing we can do valve just lost a valuable > customer (but > >> >>>>aren't customers valuable???) and before you ask i am > positive it is > >> >>>>a > >> >>>>vac ban. i had my host check the logs twice after i had 3 times > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Ook wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>He is only VAC banned from your server? He can play > on other VAC > >> >>>>>enabled > >> >>>>>servers? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:19 PM > >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told vac > >> >>>>>to do > >> >>>>>so > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>>ok i can understand that ook. I just think it's > wrong that again > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>valve > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>has released a product that is unfinished/sub > standard and banned > >> >>>>>>someone for just being shit. Also i did check the list on the > >> hlstats > >> >>>>>>website and the user in question is not listed there > but is listed > >> in > >> >>>>>>the vac bans section of the control panel. also > interestingly he is > >> >>>>>>only > >> >>>>>>vac banned from my server. which i think is > extremely wierd becasue > >> a > >> >>>>>>vac ban is system wide is it not? so can some one > explain that away > >> >>>>>>for > >> >>>>>>me. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>and finally a parting shot to all those assholes > that said the ban > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>was > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>deserved. Wait till it happens to you and see how i > laugh. (I won't > >> >>>>>>swear again but insert expletives here about 10 will do) > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>Ook wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>If VAC is reporting the ban, then you have to talk > to Valve. But > >> >>>>>>>don't > >> >>>>>>>hold > >> >>>>>>>your breath until they do something about it. No > matter what the > >> >>>>>>>reason, > >> >>>>>>>your friend is pretty much screwed if VAC is > reporting the ban. > >> >>>>>>>However, > >> >>>>>>>this has nothing to do with hlstatsx. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:42 PM > >> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told > >> vac > >> >>>>>>>to do > >> >>>>>>>so > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>i was playing with him at the time he was banned. > at first the > >> >>>>>>>>ban was > >> >>>>>>>>only server based but once we deleted the entriesa > couple of > >> >>>>>>>>times vac > >> >>>>>>>>was reporting it. I personally can not stand > hackers/cheaters i > >> >>>>>>>>think > >> >>>>>>>>they are worse than scum so he is innocent > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>Ook wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>hlstatx does not tell VAC to ban someone. If he > got banned by > >> >>>>>>>>>VAC, he > >> >>>>>>>>>probably deserved it. If he is truely innocent, > and VAC has > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>falsely > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>banned > >> >>>>>>>>>yet another person, then your friend is screwed. > He will need to > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>go > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>and buy > >> >>>>>>>>>another key. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Did VAC ban him, or is he just banned form the > server itself? > >> >>>>>>>>>Hlstatsx > >> >>>>>>>>>can > >> >>>>>>>>>ban people from the server, and there are a > couple of settings > >> >>>>>>>>>that can > >> >>>>>>>>>control this. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>http://www.hlstatsx.com/faq#p6 > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>>>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:52 PM > >> >>>>>>>>>Subject: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told vac > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>to > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>do so > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>on my post about hlstatsx, yeah i did my > webadmin "forgot" to > >> >>>>>>>>>>do > >> >>>>>>>>>>it. but > >> >>>>>>>>>>now i have a new problem with it. IT TOLD VAC TO > BAN ONE OF MY > >> >>>>>>>>>>CLAN > >> >>>>>>>>>>MEMBERS FOR CHEATING. and trust me if you saw > him play you > >> >>>>>>>>>>would > >> >>>>>>>>>>laugh > >> >>>>>>>>>>he sucks so hard. there is no way he cheats and > valve policy is > >> >>>>>>>>>>not to > >> >>>>>>>>>>lift any vac bans. WTF DO WE DO. coz i am not > goin to put the > >> >>>>>>>>>>server > >> >>>>>>>>>>into insecure mode and let all the loser who do > cheat play on > >> >>>>>>>>>>my > >> >>>>>>>>>>precious. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>I think this could be one for alfred > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>Ook wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>This happens in hlstats if you don't have the > server entered > >> >>>>>>>>>>>in the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>admin > >> >>>>>>>>>>>setup, or if the server game/ip is wrong. Have > you gone into > >> >>>>>>>>>>>admin > >> >>>>>>>>>>>setup via > >> >>>>>>>>>>>the web page and setup a server for it to use? > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>Did you ask in the hlstatsx forum? > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>>>>>>>>From: "David Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:26 AM > >> >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [hlds] hlstatsx and cs:s > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>hey guys i really need some help here. I'm > spend 4 hours with > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>my > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>admin > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>team trying to install hlstatsx. We got it all > on no problems > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>and > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>everythng looked good to go with no problems. > except when we > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>start up > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>the gameserver we get the following error > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>E997: UNRECOGNIZED SERVER: RL 0. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>we have no idea why. I'm using the latest beta > of srcds and > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>also the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>latest beter of mani. The error seems quite > common but after > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>looking > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>around the forums using google i can't find > anything that > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>match's > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>our > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>problem. Can anyone help i've put an example > of the logs > >> below. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:12: 87.117.195.31:27001 - E997: > >> UNRECOGNIZED > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>SERVER: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> RL 0 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: server_message: "quit" > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:14: 87.117.195.31:27001 - E997: > >> UNRECOGNIZED > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>SERVER: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> RL 0 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: Log file closed > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:14: 87.117.195.31:27001 - E997: > >> UNRECOGNIZED > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>SERVER: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> RL 0 > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: server_message: "restart" > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:14: 87. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>the logs are transfering and we can't honestly > see why it > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>doesn't > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>work. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>Has anyone met this error using hlstatsx? > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>let me know as i've spend now almost 5 hours > on this and i'm > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>not a > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>very > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>patient person. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>archives, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >> >>>>>>>>>>>archives, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >> >>>>>>>>>>archives, > >> >>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >> >>>>>>>>>archives, > >> >>>>>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >> >>>>>>>>archives, > >> >>>>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> >>>>>>>archives, > >> >>>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>archives, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> >>>>>please visit: > >> >>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> >>>>archives, > >> >>>>please visit: > >> >>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > >> >>>please visit: > >> >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>-- > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > >> >>please visit: > >> >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >-- > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > >> please visit: > >> >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > -- > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:42:03 +0000 > > From: David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it > told vac to do > > so (logs contained) > > Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > k will do that in the morning > > > > Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) wrote: > > > >>-- > >>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>Try taking off all addons / mods from your server, restart > it and see if > >>he > >>still gets banned or kicked or what ever. > >>Then post the logs again. > >> > >>On 3/20/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>well the only mods/plugns i have are mani beta L and > hlstats. Since i > >>>posted the logs i have rechecked all the possible ban > list's and come up > >>>with nothing. And hlstats is definielty reporting a vac > ban. so all i > >>>can say is wtf and if it's not a vac ban and i am postivie > it's not my > >>>plugins so what is it > >>> > >>>Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-- > >>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>It looks like something else is banning him, not VAC. Must be some > >>>>random > >>>>plugin. But you said earlier that he could play for a > bit, and then VAC > >>>>would kick him. That sounds a bit like a VAC ban. > >>>> > >>>>Hello trog :) > >>>> > >>>>On 3/20/06, David Williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >>>>>-- > >>>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>>the log for the original instance is > >>>>>http://www.noquestionsasked.co.uk/downloads/l0319075.log > this contains > >>>>>2 > >>>>>instances for 2 seperate ppl (1 each) > >>>>> > >>>>>then it repeats but instead of 5 min bans they become permenant > >>>>> > >>>>><http://www.noquestionsasked.co.uk/downloads/l0319075.log > >here's the > >>>>>log > >>>>>of the second instance. > >>>>> > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:38:45: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<54><STEAM_0:0:2237506><CT>" disconnected (reason > "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T* timed out") > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:39:39: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<62><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>" > >>>>>connected, address "222.153.231.100:10661" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:39:39: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<62><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" disconnected (reason "STEAM UserID > >>>>>STEAM_0:0:2237506 is banned") > >>>>> > >>>>>[at this point problem had been brought to my attention > and i check the > >>>>>ban_list.cfg file and removed 2 entries which had > magically appeared] > >>>>> > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:43:56: "gapontiac97<63><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>" > >>>>>connected, address "172.131.229.68:27005" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:43:58: > "gapontiac97<63><STEAM_0:0:10570579><>" STEAM > >>>>>USERID validated > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:32: server_cvar: "mp_timelimit" "40" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:32: CONSOLE : System vote extended > map by 20 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>minutes > >>> > >>> > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:43: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<64><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>" > >>>>>connected, address "222.153.231.100:10734" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:45: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" STEAM USERID validated > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:03: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" entered the game > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:10: "Console<0><Console><Console>" > say "Player [ > >>>>>{NQA:S} Malfurion *T* ] - zBlock Authenticated" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:13: "{NQA:S} Malfurion > >>>>>*T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><Unassigned>" joined team "CT" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:15: World triggered "Game_Commencing" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:18: > >>>>>"{NQA:S}|M3PH|*cl*<38><STEAM_0:0:2411455><TERRORIST>" triggered > >>>>>"Got_The_Bomb" > >>>>>L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:22: World triggered "Round_Start" > >>>>> > >>>>>now it does it again but leave no entry in the > banned_user.cfg and here > >>>>>is where we are now > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Ook wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Can you post the logs here? I'd (and I'm sure others) > would like to > >>>>>>see > >>>>>>them. By examining the logs, we might be able to shed > some light on > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>this > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>mystery. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:48 PM > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told vac > >>>>>>to do > >>>>>>so > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>that is correct, we tested it. Also if he restarts > steam he can join > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>for > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>a lil while before vac kicks him. of ig he joins then > leaves straight > >>>>>>>away he won't get back in. anyone else think this is > strange. Also if > >>>>>>>there is nothing we can do valve just lost a valuable > customer (but > >>>>>>>aren't customers valuable???) and before you ask i am > positive it is > >>>>>>>a > >>>>>>>vac ban. i had my host check the logs twice after i had 3 times > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Ook wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>He is only VAC banned from your server? He can play > on other VAC > >>>>>>>>enabled > >>>>>>>>servers? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:19 PM > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told vac > >>>>>>>>to do > >>>>>>>>so > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>ok i can understand that ook. I just think it's > wrong that again > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>valve > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>has released a product that is unfinished/sub > standard and banned > >>>>>>>>>someone for just being shit. Also i did check the list on the > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>hlstats > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>website and the user in question is not listed there > but is listed > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>in > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>the vac bans section of the control panel. also > interestingly he is > >>>>>>>>>only > >>>>>>>>>vac banned from my server. which i think is > extremely wierd becasue > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>a > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>vac ban is system wide is it not? so can some one > explain that away > >>>>>>>>>for > >>>>>>>>>me. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>and finally a parting shot to all those assholes > that said the ban > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>was > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>deserved. Wait till it happens to you and see how i > laugh. (I won't > >>>>>>>>>swear again but insert expletives here about 10 will do) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Ook wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>If VAC is reporting the ban, then you have to talk > to Valve. But > >>>>>>>>>>don't > >>>>>>>>>>hold > >>>>>>>>>>your breath until they do something about it. No > matter what the > >>>>>>>>>>reason, > >>>>>>>>>>your friend is pretty much screwed if VAC is > reporting the ban. > >>>>>>>>>>However, > >>>>>>>>>>this has nothing to do with hlstatsx. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:42 PM > >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>vac > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>to do > >>>>>>>>>>so > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>i was playing with him at the time he was banned. > at first the > >>>>>>>>>>>ban was > >>>>>>>>>>>only server based but once we deleted the entriesa > couple of > >>>>>>>>>>>times vac > >>>>>>>>>>>was reporting it. I personally can not stand > hackers/cheaters i > >>>>>>>>>>>think > >>>>>>>>>>>they are worse than scum so he is innocent > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Ook wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>hlstatx does not tell VAC to ban someone. If he > got banned by > >>>>>>>>>>>>VAC, he > >>>>>>>>>>>>probably deserved it. If he is truely innocent, > and VAC has > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>falsely > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>banned > >>>>>>>>>>>>yet another person, then your friend is screwed. > He will need to > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>go > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>and buy > >>>>>>>>>>>>another key. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Did VAC ban him, or is he just banned form the > server itself? > >>>>>>>>>>>>Hlstatsx > >>>>>>>>>>>>can > >>>>>>>>>>>>ban people from the server, and there are a > couple of settings > >>>>>>>>>>>>that can > >>>>>>>>>>>>control this. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.hlstatsx.com/faq#p6 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:52 PM > >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i > think it told vac > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>to > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>do so > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>on my post about hlstatsx, yeah i did my > webadmin "forgot" to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>it. but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>now i have a new problem with it. IT TOLD VAC TO > BAN ONE OF MY > >>>>>>>>>>>>>CLAN > >>>>>>>>>>>>>MEMBERS FOR CHEATING. and trust me if you saw > him play you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>would > >>>>>>>>>>>>>laugh > >>>>>>>>>>>>>he sucks so hard. there is no way he cheats and > valve policy is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>not to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>lift any vac bans. WTF DO WE DO. coz i am not > goin to put the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>server > >>>>>>>>>>>>>into insecure mode and let all the loser who do > cheat play on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>my > >>>>>>>>>>>>>precious. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I think this could be one for alfred > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ook wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>This happens in hlstats if you don't have the > server entered > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>admin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>setup, or if the server game/ip is wrong. Have > you gone into > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>admin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>setup via > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the web page and setup a server for it to use? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you ask in the hlstatsx forum? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "David Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:26 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [hlds] hlstatsx and cs:s > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hey guys i really need some help here. I'm > spend 4 hours with > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>my > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>admin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>team trying to install hlstatsx. We got it all > on no problems > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everythng looked good to go with no problems. > except when we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>start up > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the gameserver we get the following error > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>E997: UNRECOGNIZED SERVER: RL 0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we have no idea why. I'm using the latest beta > of srcds and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>also the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>latest beter of mani. The error seems quite > common but after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>looking > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>around the forums using google i can't find > anything that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>match's > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>our > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>problem. Can anyone help i've put an example > of the logs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>below. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:12: 87.117.195.31:27001 - E997: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>UNRECOGNIZED > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SERVER: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RL 0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: server_message: "quit" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:14: 87.117.195.31:27001 - E997: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>UNRECOGNIZED > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SERVER: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RL 0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: Log file closed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:14: 87.117.195.31:27001 - E997: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>UNRECOGNIZED > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SERVER: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RL 0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: server_message: "restart" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006-03-19 17:50:14: 87. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the logs are transfering and we can't honestly > see why it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>doesn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>work. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Has anyone met this error using hlstatsx? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>let me know as i've spend now almost 5 hours > on this and i'm > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>very > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>patient person. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>archives, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>archives, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 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