you are still not understanding. yes, you give out your external ip to
users, no you do not bind your server to that ip.

----- Original Message -----
From: "gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..


> well I just opened what Steam Support said to open?? if I dont need all
them
> why do they say to open them all??
> I mostly fly Flight Simulators and I do not give out my internal IP for
> those I have to give out my external IP same goes for TS2, and Roger wilco
> Voice comms. I also was going by what STEAM support said about the IP it
> said that I need to use my External IP not my internal IP so I dont get it
> your telling me too ust the internal?? that dont make any sence as anybody
> joining my Game would need my External then any info to that ip will get
> passed to my internal IP via the router W/ Port Forward so I dont know
what
> you mean by my knowledge level ??
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DLinkOZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:26 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
>
>
> > Wow, that's a lot of ports you have forwarded... All you need to forward
> > is
> > UDP for the port the server runs on (as long as you allow outbound
without
> > rules).  As for requesting that info, it's basic troubleshooting for
just
> > about anything sitting behind a firewall or NAT device.  The point that
> > you
> > wanted to bind a machine behind your router to a public IP sort of
framed
> > a
> > picture of knowledge level (not trying to be insulting, just being
> > honest),
> > so actually having the details was needed before anyone here could write
> > that off as not a possible cause.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerald
> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:00 PM
> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >
> > @DlinkOZ
> >
> > I Port Forward the Proper ports that was shown in the Steam Support
site.
> > Ill post the screenshot of the Port Forward test page on another website
> > here is the link:
> >
> > http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=64&t=001290
> >
> > Port Forwarding is NOT the problem Please Stop Asking for this info
THNX!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DLinkOZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >
> >
> >> I'll ask again, can you tell us exactly what port forwarding you've
done?
> >> Such as:
> >>
> >> "I have forwarded UDP 27015 to my server"
> >>
> >> That would give us something to go on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Brady
> >> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:25 PM
> >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>
> >> ok, here is how a router works. the router gets an ip from your ISP.
you
> >> plug your computers into the router. the router gives your computers
> >> thier
> >> own 'internal' IPs. your computer does not have an internal and
external
> >> IP.
> >> when you send and recieve data, the router says 'oh michaels computer
is
> >> going to google.com so ill send google.com stuff back to him' same goes
> >> for
> >> hlds traffic, except the router doesnt know where to send it because
you
> >> are
> >> just listening, unless specified by port forwarding or setting up a
DMZ.
> >> In
> >> the case of custom.hpk it just holds user spraypaints and the like im
> >> pretty
> >> sure. remember though, you connot bind to an ip address that is not on
> >> your
> >> machine. your 'external' ip is on the router, not your computer, you
cant
> >> bind to it. the same way i cant setup a server using your ip from my
> >> house.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>
> >>
> >>> @Michael
> >>> I ran a dedicated server and recieved this error:
> >>>
> >>> ERROR: couldn't open custom.hpk.
> >>> Dropped Nephilim from server
> >>> Reason:  Client sent 'drop'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> will that help figure out my problem?? Also I noticed it is using my
> >>> Internal IP shouldnt it use my External??
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Michael Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:20 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > At least try running a dedicated server. If your computer has enough
> >>> > power,
> >>> > you can play too. I was able to do it for a few days while fixing my
> >>> > server.
> >>> > At the very least, maybe there will be an error message in the
server
> >>> > console that will give a hint to your problem.
> >>> >
> >>> > BTW, your screen shot of the steam test page didn't come thru.
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerald
> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:44 PM
> >>> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>> > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >
> >>> > @Scott
> >>> > I have a normal IP if that is what your looking for?? I realise they
> >> need
> >>> > nuthing special but it just doesn't work, I have no Problem Hosting
> >> other
> >>> > games just Halflife on Steam??  and I dont wanna do a Dedicated
server
> >> as
> >>> > I
> >>> > wanna play as well.
> >>> > Yes, Steam has a TEST port page I found it on the Support Pages.
> >> Somewhat
> >>> > usefull for Diagnosing Peoples problems to see if there ports are
open
> >> or
> >>> > Not.
> >>> >
> >>> > that is why I am here trying to find out if it might be a Hardware
or
> >>> > Software problem as this is not a easy nut too crack, I have
exhausted
> >> all
> >>> > the Support sites FAQ and answers for common problems I was sent
here
> >>> > by
> >>> > the
> >>> > support site to get an answer to my question that they couldn't
answer
> >> why
> >>> > I
> >>> > cant Host??
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: "Scott Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:34 PM
> >>> > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Steam page to test ports????  What is that?  I am not aware of
that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> There servers really do need NOTHING special to work.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> When you go to http://www.whatismyip.org/ what is your ip address?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Also what is the name of your server so you can check for it on
> >>> >> www.gametiger.net ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If the ports are open and the server is running properly and it is
> >>> >> seto to sv_lan 0 then they should work.  But you might also check
to
> >>> >> make sure you have the sv_region set properly.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://tinyurl.com/h35as
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All the resources you need are located in the steampowered support
> >> area.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://tinyurl.com/koh6s
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Please check the very first 4 results from this search.  If you
have
> >>> >> already looked at them I suggest you look at them again and then
> >>> >> verify them and maybe look at them and verify them again.  Triple
> >>> >> check them.  Because these are all you need.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -Scott
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerald
> >>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:01 PM
> >>> >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>> >>> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> @DlinkOz
> >>> >>> here is a screenshot of the Steam page to Test Ports as you can
see
> >>> >>> I
> >>> >>> passed so the ports are open and it is NOT a PF Problem if it was
> >>> >>> that simple I could solve it!!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> THNX Gerald
> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> From: "DLinkOZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:09 PM
> >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >I may have missed it, but what forwarding rules exactly have
> >>> >>> you put in
> >>> >>> > place?  Honestly, it takes only 1 rule with any decent
> >>> >>> firewall to allow
> >>> >>> > direct IP connections.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> >>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gerald
> >>> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:38 AM
> >>> >>> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > well you would LOOSe that bet;)  Port Forwarding is Setup
> >>> >>> Properly It is
> >>> >>> > NOT
> >>> >>> > a PF issue THNX for you comment tho!!
> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:50 AM
> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > I would bet that this guy does not have port forwarding set
> >>> >>> up properly.
> >>> >>> > If
> >>> >>> > port forwarding is done right the game server will work,
> >>> >>> people will be
> >>> >>> > able
> >>> >>> > to connect and it will eventually show up in the master
> >>> >>> server list. I do
> >>> >>> > not have my server bound to the external IP and it works just
> >>> >>> > fine.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > The reason he has no clue about the command line is he is
probably
> >>> >>> > starting the server from the steam menu. You never see a command
> >>> >>> line from there.
> >>> >>> > It's nice that you can start a server multiple ways but it
> >>> >>> makes it very
> >>> >>> > hard to help someone out.
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > My IPS charges 20 bucks a month for a static IP so I don't
> >>> >>> have one. It's
> >>> >>> > a
> >>> >>> > pain when the IP changes BUT my server works just fine. I
> >>> >>> just wish I
> >>> >>> > could
> >>> >>> > get more bandwidth in this hick town.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> From: "Sailor Mercury-sama \(NL\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> >> Date: 2006/10/06 Fri AM 10:28:20 CDT
> >>> >>> >> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> "if you want your server to appeare in the server list"
> >>> >>> >> If you mean to have your server appear in the master list
> >>> >>> at valve: not
> >>> >>> >> relevant
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> If you start a game server on steam (and it's properly
> >>> >>> >> configed/connected)
> >>> >>> >> your server will be added to the master list automatically.
> >>> >>> >> All a domainname does is to provide people on internet an easy
to
> >>> >>> >> remember why to find a computer on internet (like www, ftp,
> >>> >>> >> email).
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> "Otherwise you would have to change your plublic ip manually in
> >>> >>> >> the startup line every time it is changed by the ISP"
> >>> >>> >> Now I get it. ^__^
> >>> >>> >> I tested it and that works indeed.
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> I am so lucky that I have static IPs at my server and at
> >>> >>> home. #^_^#
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> >> From: "Jose Pacheco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> >> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> >> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:43 PM
> >>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >> > No, the +ip 123.123.123.123 command in the start u is
> >>> >>> correct, but the
> >>> >>> >> > domain would be if you want your server to appeare in
> >>> >>> the server list,
> >>> >>> >> > so
> >>> >>> >> > the domain would be setup to the computer/server that is
> >>> >>> hosting the
> >>> >>> >> > srcds
> >>> >>> >> > box. Otherwise you would have to change your plublic ip
> >>> >>> manually in the
> >>> >>> >> > startup line every time it is changed by the ISP. Some
> >>> >>> like to make
> >>> >>> >> > life
> >>> >>> >> > easy some are masaquist, right? Or you can purchase a
> >>> >>> static ip if your
> >>> >>> >> > ISP
> >>> >>> >> > doesnt provide it free of charge.
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> >> > From: "Sailor Mercury-sama (NL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> >> > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> >> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:21 AM
> >>> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >
> >>> >>> >> >> @gerald
> >>> >>> >> >> In the startup string add:
> >>> >>> >> >> +ip <external ip>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> for example: +ip 123.123.123.123
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> That should do it.
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> @jose
> >>> >>> >> >> ..... really, how is a domainname going to tell an
> >>> >>> application that
> >>> >>> >> >> wants
> >>> >>> >> >> an
> >>> >>> >> >> *IP* which IP it should use?
> >>> >>> >> >> You need to use an IP address for this and not a domainname.
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> >> >> From: "Jose Pacheco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> >> >> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> >> >> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:56 PM
> >>> >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Hey dude it's really easy, you can simply get a free
> >>> >>> domain like
> >>> >>> >> >>> www.no-ip.com or http://freedns.afraid.org  i believe
> >>> >>> is one, there
> >>> >>> >> >>> are
> >>> >>> >> >>> more
> >>> >>> >> >>> but you can Google that. And Srcds does work off a
> >>> >>> domain instead of
> >>> >>> >> >>> ip
> >>> >>> >> >>> as
> >>> >>> >> >>> well. So that would be your best solution right now.
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Hope this info helped out
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>> The Sourcekillaz Team
> >>> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> >> >>> From: "gerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> >> >>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:03 PM
> >>> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> YES I have Heard of Google but I was Directed here if
> >>> >>> you DONT wanna
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Answer
> >>> >>> >> >>>> my Question thean DONT!!
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> My Problem is NOT Port Forwarding I have that
> >>> >>> covered. the problem
> >>> >>> >> >>>> is
> >>> >>> >> >>>> that
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Stem is using My Internal IP I need STEAM or HL to
> >>> >>> use my EXTERNAL
> >>> >>> >> >>>> IP!!
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> READ THE POST SHEESH!!
> >>> >>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: "Robert Whelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:36 PM
> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Unable to HOSt because..
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> Heard of google dood, sheesh?
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> anyways..
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> http://hlds101.com/hlds101/networking.htm
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>> --- Father dougal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> --
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what do
u
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> mean by u cant host half life? do u get
> >>> >>> some sort of
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> error
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> ? im
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> behind a router and i can run both a server and
> >>> >>> steam and connect.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> if
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> others
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> want to connect u have to forward the ports on the
router
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> On 06/10/06, gerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > --
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi, I
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > was sent here by the STEAM tech support as
> >>> >>> they couldnt
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> answer my
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > question so they said to post here.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > I read in the STEAM support site that the reason
> >>> >>> I cant HOST
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> HalfLife is
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > because probally STEAM is using my Internal IP
> >>> >>> and it Needs an
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> Exterenal IP.
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > My Question is How can I make Steam or Halflife
> >>> >>> use my External
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> IP?? I am
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > using a D-Link DGL4300 Gaming router and XP Pro
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> >
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > THNX
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > Gerald
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> > --
> >>> >>> >> >>>>>> >>
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