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Exactly and that's just one of many caveats that exist in doing business
with software companies.
Thanks for pointing that out.
-------Original Message-------
From: Ronny Schedel
Date: 12/09/06 15:27:42
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Such EULAs are not valid in Germany, because you will see this EULA at
installation time and you can not give back an opened software package. So,
whatever this EULA tells us, it is not valid in every country of the world.
Regards
Ronny
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Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
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> Someone needs to look over the valve/steam TOS and see if there is a way
> they can be sued in order to stop them from being total jackasses and
> ruining the games we all paid for months and years ago.
>
> I mean if we all bought a game and it didn't say in the TOS "in the
> future
> we will be pumping adds to you in game" , then we all have a possible
> lawsuit against Valve/steam if they do this.
>
> its a form of bait and switch and an annoying one at that.
> Now i haven't been reading this entire thread because im just sick and
> tired
> of hearing people whine about what the latest screw over valve has done to
> there customers. but if you really want to stop valve from fucking up the
> game or games you have purchased in the past by adding or changing them in
> the future, then take them to court or shut the fuck up.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Dustin Tuft
> Date: 12/9/2006 1:11:40 PM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
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> I can see your point, but when was the last time you sat down to play a
> board game like Risk only to be interrupted every so often by some guy
> trying to get you to buy a chess board?
>
> The fact is playing a computer game is not the same thing a watching TV,
> and
> sure I would most likely not go back to rabbit ears, but at least I have a
> choice, what Valve is planning is taking the choice away, they all ready
> have the money for you game, now they are going to change the rules so
> gain
> more money. I guess maybe we will have to come up with ValVo so we can
> skip
> the ads just like our friends at TiVo did, opps that doesn't work so well
> with real time gaming huh...And as for blocking, how would anyone planning
> on blocking ads sent to the game engine? Last time I checked the program
> decided what you see, here is a neat Idea for ya valve, why not have water
> mark ads, think of the new ways you can annoy your gaming player pool with
> a
> Tide water mark over every thing a client see. Or hey why not a little
> logo
> in the corner like all the Cable Stations load so you know for sure who is
> providing you the goods?
>
> Dustin Tuft
>
>
>
>
>> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> From:
>>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006
> 07:28:24 -0500> > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!> > Okay...
> seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to
> be
> concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a
> changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one
> incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".> > I'm a bit older
> then;
> well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this before. No, not adds
> in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable
> Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) there was but a
> handful
> of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof.
> Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be introduced to
> something
> called Cable Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to
> watch
> TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to
> watch
> the television I already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we
> thought.>
>
>> Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but
>>
> who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the
> party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with
> something that fits just about every taste and style?> > Remember... when
> your done changing, you're done.> > > -----Original Message-----> From:
> [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08,
> 2006 4:03 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds]
> VALVe
> wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling
> more than John Kerry. Think about> this. They disable the content server
> loading banner for all of us that> provide servers for this game, AT NO
> CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that> they can make revenue off of not
> just
> that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.?> > I'm not liking this ride if it's
> true
>
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> com> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > Some
> of
> you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about> making
> money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make> more. As
> long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this case> even
> more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change>
> unless
> they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would> outweigh
> any
> losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game and> will
> continue
> to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until> they are
> no
> longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does their> gamble
> pay
> off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell.> > Me? I shut
> my
> server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I can> find some
> of
> the fun that I use to have playing CS.> > Just my .02> >> > From: Wojciech
> H
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST> > To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS
> 1
> 6> >> > In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following
> the>
>
>> 'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of> >
>>
> people did not buy the game based on it.> >> > I think some arguments for
> having in game advertising is to pay for> > maintaining: the games, the
> update system, the many more updates/addons> > that people have started to
> expect, the master server lists, etc.> >> >> > Dan E wrote:> > > As far as
> region specific, don't you specify what> > > language you speak when you
> install Steam?> > >> > > I'm personally ticked off that they want us to
> look
> at> > > ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo> > > I can
> understand, but this is just rediculous.> > >> > > --- Steven Hartland
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> This brings some
> interesting questions:> > >> * How are they going the ensure the adds are
> region> > >> specific> > >> This is required to ensure that the language
> is>
>
>>>> correct and> > >> local laws adhered to.> > >> * How are they going to
>>>>
> deal with the case that the> > >> ad's> > >> may go against sponsorship
> deals for the servers or> > >> tournaments etc.> > >>> > >> Its not going
> to
> go down well if a Intel sponsored> > >> tourney> > >> started displaying
> adds for AMD processors in the> > >> middle> > >> of the match.> > >>> >
> >>
> By the same reasoning if provider X started> > >> advertising> > >> and
> this
> where to show up on provider Y's servers> > >> they> > >> would be
> understandably pissed.> > >>> > >> These are just two logistical issues
> which spring to> > >> mind.> > >>> > >> Steve> > >>> > >>> > >>
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