Call me a cynic, but don't be too surprised if they take you up on that offer, forcing you to sign an NDA and to test the thing with NO PLUGINS.
And we'll all still be back where we were. There's a whole army of "Valve Vanilla" lovers out there, who have Valve surrounded and they will stop at nothing to make sure that nothing is done to help to situation. They see any third party plugins as an insult to the games and they believe they have the right to see 40,000 vanilla source servers in their game browser with no plugins. Believe me, these people WILL petition moan, moan and moan some more at Valve as to why they are giving ANYONE who runs ANY third party server plugin the time of day. You have been warned. For me, it's a pubic beta, with no strings attached. That way, at least the plugin developers can patch their plugins against what Valve has on their radar. Let's be clear about what we want here please. Because if we let the vanilla crowd get away with it, will still have thousands of broken servers and they will be making the case to Valve that the plugin servers are more trouble than they are worth. Be careful my brothers in arms...there are dark forces at work here...... Chris Barnett U75CLAN -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Jordan Sent: 14 March 2007 01:34 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released I would love to see a separate list or distribution system that is dedicated to game server operators who volunteer as testers for the updates before they are released. It would work out more of the bugs and cut down on a lot of bad feelings toward Valve. It would certainly make me feel a lot more comfortable when I run the hldsupdate tool. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M. Frain Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:59 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released Hear Hear! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgar Ortega Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:01 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released This is probbaly one of the most truthful statements that has been said time and time again: "The craziest thing is that the entire server community is willing to help but Valve apparently prefers to go it alone." Valve has one of the most faithful and trusting communities around, we offer our time, services, and even our money to Valve and its products to help make their games and our gaming communities be strong and fruitful. We co-exist, and because of that we are always willing to and would rather help out with betas than get faulty patches. I hope this is one of the last times these kinds of incidents occurs, because as of late, I am reading of more and more server ops just saying to hell with Steam and HLDS altogether and it seems the primary reason is the "big balls" attitude that Valve seems to have with pushing shit down the very same throats of the server ops and the communities that have helped make your company what it is to-date. Its not an encouraging thing to read. - [Me109] PenDragon -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released What Valve is trying to do is simply not doable. You cannot make updates "required" but not have tested them on every platform they run on. We have all seen this over and over again... Valve issues updates and working servers crash. I'm no trashing Valve... they are exceptionally good at being reactive to the problems their updates create... what they need to be is more proactive. The craziest thing is that the entire server community is willing to help but Valve apparently prefers to go it alone. -----Original Message----- From: Gigabit Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:39 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I second that. Anyone got a working GarrysMod server after the update?, We run two one Windows 2003 and both are bust. All together now... 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