Why does it have to get so complicated?  One tab plus filters, nuff said.

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From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 
community.


> There is no other solution to this problem other than to add 3 tabs
> (internet, standard, custom) or to go back to one tab with all of the new
> filters.
>
> Anything else is beating around the bush and not really solving anything.
>
> This seems to be what a majority of people want.
>
> - voogru.
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:43 AM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2
> community.
>
> like i said in another message:
>
> Remove the custom tab, add the server-tags and the filter-options into the
> internet tab and everything would be fine.
> with the current system i don't see any sense to add tags into my server 
> ...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
> MacDonald
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:26 PM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2
> community.
>
> That'd be fine.
>
> Right under the VAC message.
>
> 'This server is custom and game play may or may not be different'.
>
> It's a good excuse to increase the size of that message and perhaps let
> server operators add a message while they connect to the server.
>
> Because we all know people read the MOTDS...
>
> - voogru.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kitteny Berk
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:17 AM
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> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2
> community.
>
> I agree with that entirely.
>
> Just adding a checkbox (like in the whole Battlefield, CoD and
> (probably) Quake series of games) would work nicely,  it's a method most
> "hardcore" gamers are used to and one that newer gamers should get used
> to, because it's the industry standard.
>
> Hell, even if valve have to add a "this server is using these rules"
> thing to the loading screen, that'd be better than tabs
>
> I'd personally love to be able to add handy info like
> "offensivepissheads;custommaps" to my server without getting bumped over
> to the short bus tab.
>
> LDuke wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure most people who are able to download and install steam 
>> are
>> also able to click a check box that has the words "Standard Servers Only"
>> next to it.  Check boxes are a common feature in most applications and
> many
>> web pages.  It's not for "hard core gamers" anymore than sending an email
> is
>> for "hard core communicators."
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Matthew Cheale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I put that you think one tab is best because it is what you are used to
>>> and the
>>> idea of two tabs doesn't fit your mental model.  I also put that
>>> comprehensive
>>> filtering options are great for your more hardcore gamer but that gaming
>>> needs
>>> to push out of hardcore alone.  By offering simpler systems for people
> who
>>> are
>>> not so technically minded as hardcore gamers helps open up the game to
> the
>>> masses, people who when they first play a game don't want to be 
>>> bombarded
>>> with
>>> strange rule x, y and z, get fed up and quit the game.  At the end of 
>>> the
>>> day,
>>> the UI needs to be usable by the lowest, reasonable, common denominator.
>>>
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>>>
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