So let me get this straight.

Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can
go to my nightclub.

You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my
nightclub?

That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid
for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want
someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of
course, by going to another server.

Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to
essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. 

You obviously do not run a server with the kind of stance you are taking.

If you do not like a server, open console, type... disconnect. Wow, that's
really hard.

- voogru

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:17 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking

I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this 
appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point.

Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
> You can't be serious.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L.
Church
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
> 
> Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and 
> you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the 
> window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get 
> voted on.
> 
> I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit 
> and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait 
> for them to rejoin.
> 
> Valve, please don't do this.
> 
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