Well, if you guys recall.. For the first few weeks when the medic pack came out you had to meet a lot more achievements (all of them) to get the last weapon. One of the larger achievements was to heal a million points and that was a requirement to get before you could unlock the ubersaw. From what I heard some people complained about the time required to get that achievement, and henceforth we have only needed to do a certain few number of achievements to gain all the milestones.
Anyway, long story short.. I don't mind the achievements being bound to the weapons, but there needs to be a check or some huge goal in place to keep people who don't play scout (or said class) often from getting all the weapons. If people learned to put time into their larger achievements there would be less of a rush to get out there and farm them. Of course, then those that just use the unlocker programs become vastly more unfair. Long story short, people love challenges. Just look at WoW, or the other MMO's.. People sit on there for months just to get to a level they can use their armor, or whatever. I don't waste my time with MMO's but it's just basic human instinct that if a great deal of time is put into something then the reward is more appreciated and equally revered by those that are in the process of acquiring it or interested in meeting the achievement themselves. I'm not saying it should take TONS of time to unlock something, but it would be nice for the unlocking process to require all the achievements be done before the last unlockable is given.. Also, it would help for the achievement actions to be more server-side, and less client-side so it wouldn't be so easy for people to cheat their way through with an unlocker program. Maybe some type of verifiable bit framework would be helpful, and to check/sync the achievement database everytime the client connects so if their achievements were not in the database, they wouldn't get their weapon unlocks. inb4 you know this is valve we're talking about. -Matt On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Rick Payton <r...@mai-hawaii.com> wrote: > I'm in the "untie weapon unlocks from achievements" camp myself - that > would definitely end the fighting on the list from the past few days. > > -mauirixxx > - Sent from my #hlserveradmins IRC fanboyism > > -----Original Message----- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:57 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on > > Maybe a better system would be to let the player decide. > > For instance...have an optional interface. > > If they change it to giving all weapons without achievements, it will > give them all the weapons and the achievements could be for a more "fun" > purpose. > > Or for the players that like getting achievements, they could have the > option of disabling the weapons until they get enough achievements for > the actual milestones. > > Honestly either way people are going to get the weapons, whether they > "cheat" and farm them or not...so why not let the player decide what > they want to do? > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald < > voo...@voogru.com> wrote: > > > IMO, they should just do away with the unlockables and make the new > > weapons available. > > > > Everybody gets them anyway, one way or another, so it's a little > pointless. > > > > All you end up with is a corrupt achievements system where the > > majority of players farmed the achievements, solely to get the > unlocks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Skenna > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:55 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on > > > > I like getting them too, but the way the game has turned with people > > banning because of achievements or people downloading programs to get > > achievements is sort of ridiculous. I used to have the opposite > > opinion, but after the fourth class update I wish they would just > > remove unlockables and make them available from the start now. > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, matan nov <tanktun...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I like doing achievements (not grinding or using plugins and such, > > working > > > towards them) to get the weapons, the big scout/heavy/medic/pyro/etc > > > > boom only lasts a few days and everything goes back to normal, plus > > > an extra scout or two per team for the next few weeks, not that > terrible. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Brent Veal > > > <naslund.fan...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make > > sense. > > > > Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end > > sooner. > > > > Not > > > > to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not > > > > having > > > all > > > > the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just > > > > my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide < > > > thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit > > > divisive > > > > in > > > > > the community. I personally would like to see a split from this > > > > > to > > you > > > > get > > > > > the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of > > > > > achievements > > > that > > > > > actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get > > > > > those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements > > > > > that are not > > > > tied > > > > > to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these > > achievements. > > > > > Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every > > > > > one > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements > > > > > and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the > > > > > "unlocker", moronic > > > plugins, > > > > > and > > > > > would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every > > > > > > previous update. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion > > > > > on > > the > > > > > matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its > > caused. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > archives, please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
