This is not for players to address complaints.
Adding "pinion" to my auto-delete filter so I don't have to keep seeing this. You're beating a dead horse in the wrong venue. Please unsubscribe yourself. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Saint K. <sai...@specialattack.net> wrote: > The problem being, sometimes at the mids of a night I like to play a > game of MVM. Our own servers are empty then, so I go to matchmaking to find > me a game. > > What I find there shocks me. Every single server it sends me to spams me > with Pinion ads, trying to force me to watch the crap. By the time I manage > to disconnect, iIve been long enough on the server for the owner to earn > money with my connection attempt. Regardless of any updates VALVe pushed > out, I still either can't close the MOTD or the ad keeps playing in the > background, which is annoying as hell. > > Also, matchmaking tends so send you to the same servers over and over > again during those time periods, making it so that you keep joining the > same crappy servers. These servers often also are very poorly configured, > it lags like shit(while the ping reports good) and is stuffed with tons of > crap. A Mystery to me why players continue to play there, but a theory is > that they simply don't know better. That's how they know TF2 these days. > > VALVe has made a lot of attempts to get better quality servers with the > ranking and everything, however, because they let their no advertisement > policies go at some point, this is the result we're stuck with. > > Saint K. > > P.s. My location is Europe based, so these things that happen go on in > Europe. I can't speak for any other parts of the world > ------------------------------ > *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [ > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] on behalf of Doctor McKay [ > mc...@doctormckay.com] > *Sent:* 06 June 2013 02:33 > *To:* Mart-Jan Reeuwijk; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising > > Evidently, Pinion has implemented procedures to delay the game for > players who block their ad server in their hosts file. I haven't looked at > the code though, I'm only going from what SPUF has spewed forth. > > Honestly, just blacklisting the servers is your best bet. If you believe > that a server that forces advertisements on its players is of poor quality, > why would you consciously choose to play on it? Regardless, this is a > discussion for SPUF/SPUD, and it's already been beaten into the ground > several times over there. > > > > Doctor McKay > http://www.doctormckay.com > mc...@doctormckay.com > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <mreeu...@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Nah, thats a blacklist for in TF2, so you don't see those servers. >> >> technically its not a ad-blocker. creating the hosts file to block the >> advert server of pinion would be considered such. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Christopher Andrews <c.nathan.andr...@gmail.com> >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < >> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 June 2013, 15:35 >> >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising >> >> Didn't Dr. McKay already make one? >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Patrick Delle Grazie < >> patr...@staff.hypernia.com> wrote: >> >> Here’s an idea. Why don’t one of you stalwarts create an in game ad >> blocker. J But then of course you’d have to advertise it >> to get people to use it. ;) >> >> P. >> >> >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Saint K. >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:26 AM >> >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising >> >> It's a server discussion mailing list, we, the server operators make >> the call on advertisements. >> >> No need for SPUF, perfectly valid here. >> >> Saint K. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [ >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] on behalf of Sebastian Iskra [ >> seabas...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* 05 June 2013 14:18 >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising >> Once upon a time there was SPUF. /thread. >> >> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Saint K. <sai...@specialattack.net> >> wrote: >> Once upon a time there was an era where community's survived on >> donations. Receiving donations was an indication of the community doing a >> good job, after all, if they weren't, they wouldn't receive donations and >> the community wouldn't last. >> >> With crap like Pinion nowadays all that counts is luring people in to >> connect and then earn money per player being forced to watch the pinion >> crap in their MOTD (MVM matchmaking and quickplay makes for an easy task to >> do this). >> >> You can host the most shittiest servers now and still earn money to >> survive. >> >> I for one would like to see VALVe picks up their old policies again, >> where advertising in their games was completely prohibited. >> >> Want to have better quality servers again VALVe? Then make sure you get >> rid of crap like Pinion. >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> Saint K. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [ >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] on behalf of Devin [ >> hollan...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* 04 June 2013 17:50 >> >> *To:* 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising >> >> Valve and Pinion are independent companies. Pinion is designed to >> help offset the overhead required to host servers, web sites, etc. Valve >> isn’t going to force you to start using pinion. My goodness, use some brain >> power at some point. Don’t just spew your knee-jerk reactions on a mailing >> list that end up harassing people with your bonehead thoughts. >> >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Doctor McKay >> *Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2013 4:49 PM >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising >> >> This mailing list is for server operators, not for players. Please take >> it to SPUF or SPUD if you want to discuss this. >> >> >> >> Doctor McKay >> http://www.doctormckay.com >> mc...@doctormckay.com >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM, big john <brewskii...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What the hell is this random mumbo jumbo. It was clear in the first 2 >> sentences the you have no idea what you are talking about. >> On Jun 3, 2013 11:47 AM, "proto mon" <prototypefr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Holy Jesus Please disable these ads >> They are getting so god damn annoying, And the audio ads are even >> worst. They keep playing somehow even if you switch the server. You >> literally have to quit the game to stop the ads. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 2:42 AM, G. Hutchinson <hu...@halsplayground.com> >> wrote: >> >> This pinion thing first visited the list a month or two back and I >> wrote a response to the list voicing my two cents. However I did this from >> my phone and it got bounced back for because of the previous posts not >> being cropped down. In short it essentially said "Shame on Valve for even >> entertaining something like pinion" pertaining to any in game advertising. >> >> Valve is selling hats, drop items, etc etc etc... The game is still >> generating money. To play the game we see advertising when we log in to >> steam. I don't want to see ads when playing games for Viagra, Uncle Bucks >> Beer, and Lysol. Everyone knows Uncle Buck is in the Klan. If Valve wants >> to pursue money in advertising, then replace the cereal boxes in L4D with >> Honeycomb and Fruit Loop boxes. Make the soda cans in the games that are >> lying around Pepsi cans and profit that way. You're welcome for the idea... >> (% my way). >> >> MAKE MOVIES... >> >> If other community owners want to show ads on their MOTD, have at it. >> Whether it is through pinion, or by bypassing pinion and seeking ads >> through other means and cutting out the "middle man", ie; pinon. Live and >> let live. >> >> However, my fear is about the day Valve "forces" the servers I run to >> show ads or do anything through the in game browser I am unaware of for >> that matter, of such nature. They are ran on my hardware, at my expense, >> running essentially an "open source" game server file(s). Or at least >> that's how it started out. So if this changes, I would expect to see a full >> disclosure on the matter, and expect to have to click something saying I >> approve of the conditions before downloading the new server files to my >> server prior to implementation. Warranting today's society, a class action >> suit undoubtedly would pop up and surely Valve is clever enough to think of >> such matters, thus dropping such a concept of pinion rather quickly. >> >> Now through my own absurdity I hope it makes Valve see it's own... If any >> of this pinion crap is true. >> >> I am reasonable... I would expect 50,000% profit for my share of monies >> generated. That is fifty thousand percent, not 50 percent. I am reasonable >> after all... Should the day come that I entertained a partnership with >> Valve as an advertising agency. This would cover any future potential and >> probably legal expenses expected to incur. And that's what would occur... >> My hardware would them become a venue of advertising the game more so than >> I already do, not to mention the involvement of a third party(s) and their >> products. I would also expect a seat on the "board" to approve and review >> any such ads conveyed though my medium. And the typical 20% from any >> advertisers I obtain and bring to the table that are interested. >> >> Should Valve "force" me to advertise through the current concept of the >> "MOTD Browser" in game for any of the game servers I host, I will probably >> not host them any longer. In fact, I am sure I would no longer host them in >> protest. The same if Valve will not show my servers in the game browser or >> include me in matchmaking pools simply because I chose not to promote >> advertising unknown products through such medium. That is not a way to >> treat the folks that assisted in making your games a success for you. WE >> THE PEOPLE ran the majority of the servers promoting your games at our own >> cost. >> >> Game console, Steam, PC computing... At what point does the "want to take >> over the world" settle back down to reason? Is ValveOS next (®) ? >> >> Make Half Life 3... Left4Dead 3 (bigger maps and 6/6 or 8/8 for versus >> please), or even make a TF3... Make money that way Valve... You look like >> beggars and extortionist when you team up with such things as an >> advertising plugin if that is what you have done. Have some dignity. >> >> Now mind you, whoever designed and thought of this pinion gig, more power >> too you... Brilliant... I wished I had thought of it. But Valve having any >> official involvement with it... Just doesn't sit right with me or anyone >> else I have discussed it with. >> >> Now if you think my post is ridiculous, imagine how YOU look Valve >> entertaining ANY involvement with such. >> >> NO TO FORCED IN GAME ADVERTISING *if it is being entertained... >> * >> But that's just my two cents... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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