Welp, you guys heard it here first. Let's call it a day and let ad-based servers like skial have complete reign of the place.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Michael Loveless <mloveless1...@gmail.com> wrote: > What are you trying to hear exactly? You have no interest in being in your > own server to populate but wanna listen to what players are saying? Once a > server achieves enough players to even warrant listening in on > conversations, what is the purpose of these extra clients to seed the > server? You've constantly repeated the word server so it's safe to assume > you're only running one, as it doesn't seem likely you would want to even > try deciphering the jibberish you would hear while listening in on multiple > servers at once. > > I think this is one of problems Valve is looking to resolve. You load the > server up with a bunch of "seeder" clients, players join your server > thinking it's populated, players waste time while learning no one is > actually there, now there is another player (potentially new to the game > with all these recent updates) who thinks all community servers are shit > then end up on Valve's servers anyway. Sure it's really hard to organically > grow a community especially in a game where there is already server > over-saturation as well as long-term established communities but it's clear > as day that the negatives outweigh the positives when it comes to textmode > and you're here arguing an almost irrelevant point about presumably > listening to player voice chat while populating the server with afk > clients. If you spent more time in your servers interacting with people > growing your community you would hear all necessary voice chat, see all > necessary console spew, and not need to habitually trick people. > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:53 PM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: > >> By the sounds o fit the benefits are just benefits and nothing to do with >> any type of abuse. You still own a REAL client if you log it in either >> regular graphical or textmode. >> >> HLSW is unsupported and needs to be updated so bad it isn’t even funny >> but yes I already use it for chat logging. I log a client into a server – >> it shows my client in and along with other players some of which are also >> AFK to be in the server which doesn’t hurt anything and helps “seeding” it >> to grow… I mainly use it for LISTENING to what is going on in the server >> since logging audio takes way too much bandwidth, need to hear things in >> real time as they are happening and so on. There is no other simple >> alternative than launching the game in –textmode and just listening. What I >> can’t figure out here is why this is so hard to comprehend vs everyone >> trying to figure out bad things from it when there really aren’t any that >> I’ve ever seen or used. >> >> If you know of a plugin that does the exact same thing as what I used >> –textmode for, listening LIVE in real time to what is going on with ALL >> sounds in the game while also allowing me to log my client into the game to >> help seed my server then by all means I’m ready to listen/read all about it. >> >> >> >> As I figured though not a single response from valve once again on this >> topic. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Cody Mathisen >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:10 PM >> >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >> >> >> >> By the sounds of it the abuse that has come up heavily outweigh any >> benefits of -textmode. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure exactly what information you are 'seeding' but I'm sure >> there are multiple addons/plugins/tools to help you accomplish something >> similar. If it is just chat, you could simply download HLSW >> <http://www.hlsw.org/> and tune in with RCON. If you wanted to log chat >> to a database or do something more extensive, this could be accomplished >> using sourcemod plugins. I'm sure you could find some kind of plugin out >> there to help accomplish whatever you are looking for. There are thousands >> of plugins out there... >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: >> >> Regardless I used -textmode for specific reasons not to abuse any type of >> system. I disagree with this change and as I said I don't expect Valve to >> reply to any of these complaints as they haven't others in the past. I >> guess I'll have to launch the client regularly - alt tab it down and leave >> it like that to help seed and listen to whats being said when I'm not in >> there. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:26 AM >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >> >> You may have used it for one client but the truth is, this guy earlier who >> posted used it to ten, even more clients. Also i think someone already >> has a >> script that can be ran in textmode that autoaccepts the items that drop. >> So >> no more manual accept and idling can continue. I'm not 100% sure about >> this, >> i just heard about it few months back. >> >> Play the game, run the servers, don't mix clients and players. Thanks. >> >> -ics >> >> HD kirjoitti: >> > >> > I used it to log ONE client in so I could seed with it and hear what >> > was going on in the server. Additionally it was nice to see on my >> > screen at home what was going on thru the console too vs remote >> > desktop into the server. I can't speak for everyone else but even >> > still a REAL CLIENT is a real client.not Fake player counts. >> > Regardless of how many you log in if they are REAL clients which they >> > were then I don't see the issue with that at all. That is much >> > different then coding in fake clients showing up or fake numbers for >> > server population. >> > >> > Either way this is just stupid and pointless to argue since we won't >> > hear a damn word from Valve on this or anything else when it comes to >> > Servers with this game. I'm kinda sick of it and damn near ready to >> > say the hell with it all and their games. >> > >> > *From:*hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Kyle >> > Sanderson >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:04 AM >> > *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >> > >> > Just so we're clear, you guys were only using this to fake player >> > counts on your servers? Where's the negative impact here? This sounds >> > like a much needed change to prevent scumbaggery. >> > >> > Kyle. >> > >> > On 13 Oct 2015 6:14 a.m., "N-Gon" <ngongamedes...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:ngongamedes...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Back when I ran servers I used to use Sandboxie and a bunch of >> > accounts in textmode to help populate my servers. >> > >> > It's a struggle when you don't have a well known community, I feel bad >> > for the folks who've just been hurt by this change. >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:45 AM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net >> > <mailto:ad...@gamerscrib.net>> wrote: >> > >> > Yea I saw it last night... this is beyond a wasteful change. I use it >> > for a client so I can listen in a server without using a bunch of >> > resources. >> > Why was this change made and what alternative do you have besides >> > launching the game in full and alt tabbing now. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> >> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] On Behalf Of Rudy >> > Bleeker >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM >> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >> > >> > From the client patch notes from October 12, 2015: >> > >> > - Running in textmode now places the client in insecure mode >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:50 AM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net >> > <mailto:ad...@gamerscrib.net>> wrote: >> > > Anyone else having issues now using a client into their servers >> > > using -textmode for launch options? I log in an account this way >> > > every so often to "listen" in the server while reading chat but for >> > > some reason now I get the "You are in insecure mode. You must >> > > restart before you can connect to secure servers.". >> > > >> > > I've not changed nothing - not a single thing and it just started >> > > after last nights update came out. I've reinstalled TF2 on that >> > > computer but nothing has changed. >> > > I'm convinced something got messed up from this update as I tried it >> > > on another computer and it did the exact same thing. >> > > >> > > Anyone able to explain this? >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> >> > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > <mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] On Behalf Of Eric Smith >> > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 5:52 PM >> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> > <mailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>; >> > hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > <mailto:hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com> >> > > Subject: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >> > > >> > > We've released an optional update for TF2 that updates the Invasion >> > > Community Update Coin to also count assists. This is an optional >> > > dedicated server update and is not required unless you are running >> > > any of the Invasion maps and would like to support this new feature. >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > >> > > -Eric >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, please visit: >> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, >> > please visit: >> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Idleness is not doing nothing. 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