According to that statement I guess you have never runned a CS server with AMX or AMXX...
SourceMod will have most of your needs ready in the default package, other mani features for download as plugins. And you will find tons of other stuff that you never will see in mani. The point is that you are not dependent on one person writing stuff into their mod. You are also not dependent on that person whenever he decides to go to a year long expedition to save the whales. SourceMod and AMXX is more community based than hardcoded pluings. Anyone can write anything to it. And if one person does not want to learn to write plugins, just pop a request in their forum and someone might write it just for fun. I have full control when using AMX (I have not yet converted to AMXX). I almost only use it as an plugin engine. I have my own sql based admin system, my own stats system. I make my servers unique. I have gone so far that I have even redefined the adminflags, so I can set them exactly the way I want them to. 90% of my plugins are unique to my servers. SourceMod seems to have gotten a bit more advanced when it goes to writing plugins than AMXX. I have not dived into it at fully yet, but it feels a little more OO, a little more of C++ vs C. But thats just for glancing over it extremely briefly a while ago. The reason mani has been so popular is not about it having all of those features, it is that he was first to release a decent admin tool and all the other serveradmins just follows. Most probably didnt even know that there where others around when they sat up their CSS server. I prefer BAT over mani any day now. And the reason is not just because I fixed a memory leak around his threading code (when running under linux). ;p /Bjorn On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, ics wrote: > But i like bonuses so much. Mani had all the stuff server admins could > want in 1 simple pack. You didnt need to find _everything_ separately, > like ingame stats, teamkiller punishments, map voting system, reserve > slots, skin setting for players, soundplaying, weapon restrictions and > all kinds of handy settings (see mani_server.cfg). True, most of it is a > "bonus" but very usefull. You make SourceMod sound like the thing where > you have freedom to do anything BUT with exception that a) you gotta > know scripting and coding and b) its like matties eventscripts, pieces > from there and there to pick for your needs. Tons of separate > scripts/functions where mani had them all in the same pack. Bloated? > Maybe. Usefull? Definitely and thats the reason why mani-admin got so > popular. There was no alternative at that time and there still isnt. > > -ics > > > kama kirjoitti: > > Then you will be better off with sourcemod. Since you can write your own > > plugin that does all that automatically at spawn. You have "full" freedom > > to do "anything" you want. > > > > I have been waiting for SM since the release of CS:S. And cant wait to > > convert all my amx plugins I use for CS to CS:S. And since SQL now is > > available I can start to do so. > > > > To the rest. There are options to mani. I use BAT now for basic admin > > stuff like kick, ban... ont top of that I have a high ping kicker plugin, > > one for restrictions, one against team attack and a couple of more... > > > > mani got too bloated on the way, with a lot of stuff like setting people > > on fire and crap. I had to disable 90% of the functionality of mani to > > have a plugin that did just what I wanted it to do. Admins should be able > > to kick, ban, be able to switch team on a player and give warnings. > > Anything else is just a bonus. > > > > /Bjorn > > > > On Sat, 9 Jun 2007, Ryan Veltidi wrote: > > > > > >> True, and that's what Mani says is the reason. But we do a special > >> "Admin Night" / "Map Night" on Friday nights where we give tons of > >> things, and change around health, slap to 1 health, etc, etc. It's the > >> only night our server is 100% full at around 40-50 players, and > >> everybody enjoys it. So, most people don't consider it abuse. It just > >> annoys people that their chat is being obstructed by all those > >> commands. > >> > >> And sometimes it takes too long to @rcon ma_give or rcon through console, > >> etc. > >> > >> > >> On 6/9/07, Guy Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> I assume because a lot of admins would abuse that. By telling the players > >>> what evil the admins are doing they can decide it they want to stay on > >>> your > >>> server. > >>> > >>> } -----Original Message----- > >>> } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > >>> } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Veltidi > >>> } Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:11 PM > >>> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > >>> } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Beta Update > >>> } > >>> } The only thing that I did not like about Mani was that it would always > >>> } tell the server whenever I used an admin command. I never understood > >>> } why player X has to know that I slapped/slayed player Y. If this was > >>> } an option (or editable source!) in SourceMod, I would certainly switch > >>> } right away. > >>> } > >>> } On 6/9/07, LDuke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> } > -- > >>> } > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>> } > SourceMod has moved to beta and they are actively adding the admin > >>> } > functionality now. Plugins are already starting to appear written by > >>> } > SourceMod users for everything from weapon restrictions to team attack > >>> } > control to spawning chef's hats on hostages. > >>> } > > >>> } > From the SourceMod site: > >>> } > "In addition to the recent feature of SQL support, SourceMod has > >>> gained > >>> } its > >>> } > first default administrative plugin. Over the next few weeks more of > >>> } these > >>> } > will appear, and SourceMod will be more and more usable for normal > >>> } > administrators. Our goal is to reproduce most of the original AMX Mod > >>> X > >>> } > commands." > >>> } > > >>> } > Judging by the popularity of amxmod and amxmodx on HL1 based servers, > >>> } > SourceMod should rapidly take over for Mani as well as allow > >>> } customization. > >>> } > All of those people who complained that Mani installed everything > >>> } instead of > >>> } > just the options they used will be able to setup SourceMod with just > >>> } those > >>> } > options. > >>> } > > >>> } > Grant > >>> } > (L. Duke) > >>> } > > >>> } > > >>> } > > >>> } > On 6/9/07, ics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> } > > > >>> } > > Currently there are no good replacements for mani-admin and if it > >>> } indeed > >>> } > > goes bonkers, 18189 public servers need to find a replacement for > >>> it. > >>> } > > (addon-stats here http://www.sourcemod.net/stats.php) and Sourcemod > >>> } > > really isnt an option because it doesnt have any admin-functions. Or > >>> } if > >>> } > > it does, that stuff is well hidden somewhere without any > >>> documentation > >>> } > > or instructions how the stuff really works so before any of you > >>> start > >>> } > > saying how great sourcemod really is, hold back untill you see some > >>> } real > >>> } > > content running on/in it so people can actually use it. for example, > >>> } > > more documentation and detailed information about cvars etc would be > >>> } > > nice to see. Also this thread is worth a look... > >>> } > > http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=566697 > >>> } > > > >>> } > > There was some line on beta updates about plugin backwards > >>> } compatibility > >>> } > > so maybe Valve has actually this time prevented mani-admin from > >>> } breaking > >>> } > > down and they dont change core functions so it wont break. There > >>> could > >>> } > > be many disappointed server owners out there of mani really goes > >>> } bonkers > >>> } > > after the update is out. Even i have considered running my servers > >>> if > >>> } i > >>> } > > have to give up from mani-admin. Really there isnt many good options > >>> } > > available. There are infact 3. Matties Eventscripts (with tons of > >>> } > > different scripts), Mani-admin's old rival Beetlesmod (less fuctions > >>> } > > than mani has) and Sourcemod. Dont really know much about Sourcemod > >>> } but > >>> } > > i guess someone can explain better than the website does. > >>> } > > > >>> } > > -ics > >>> } > > > >>> } > > Guy Watkins kirjoitti: > >>> } > > > Mani has been off-line since 2006. There is no word when/if he > >>> will > >>> } be > >>> } > > > back. Even if he comes back, 5+ months is too long to be away. I > >>> } still > >>> } > > use > >>> } > > > Mani Admin Plugin 2005 V1.1.0zi. But I have some issues, but > >>> } > > restrictions > >>> } > > > work fine. > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > I am looking to replace Mani Admin. Please send recommendations! > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > Guy > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/ > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > } -----Original Message----- > >>> } > > > } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > >>> } > > > } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds > >>> } > > > } Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:38 PM > >>> } > > > } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > >>> } > > > } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Beta Update > >>> } > > > } > >>> } > > > } -- > >>> } > > > } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>> } > > > } I would assume Mani is working to make his plugin compatible. > >>> } After > >>> } > > all > >>> } > > > } that's part of the reason beta was asked for in the first place. > >>> } > > > } > >>> } > > > } On 6/9/07, Rónai György <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> } > > > } > > >>> } > > > } > Hi > >>> } > > > } > > >>> } > > > } > Can anyone confirm if ManiAdminPlugin is working or not, with > >>> } the > >>> } > > latest > >>> } > > > } > beta engine? > >>> } > > > } > > >>> } > > > } > Thx > >>> } > > > } > Locutus > >>> } > > > } > > >>> } > > > } > _______________________________________________ > >>> } > > > } > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> } > > archives, > >>> } > > > } > please visit: > >>> } > > > } > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> } > > > } > > >>> } > > > } > >>> } > > > } > >>> } > > > } > >>> } > > > } -- > >>> } > > > } ___________________________ > >>> } > > > } Wim 'TheUnknownFactor' Barelds > >>> } > > > } [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> } > > > } -- > >>> } > > > } > >>> } > > > } _______________________________________________ > >>> } > > > } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> } archives, > >>> } > > > } please visit: > >>> } > > > } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> } > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> } archives, > >>> } > > please visit: > >>> } > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> } > > > > >>> } > > > >>> } > > > >>> } > > _______________________________________________ > >>> } > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> } > > please visit: > >>> } > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> } > > > >>> } > -- > >>> } > > >>> } > _______________________________________________ > >>> } > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> } please visit: > >>> } > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> } > > >>> } > >>> } _______________________________________________ > >>> } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> } please visit: > >>> } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
