I'm not going to argue with you, you obviously know everything there is 
to know about everything, so there wouldn't be much point, now would 
there?  And you are most certainly entitled to your opinion...  ;)

Drek

Midnight wrote:
> You can script Windows also for that matter, and setup cron jobs.  
> Sounds like you just didn't put the time into it on Windows like you did 
> on Linux.
>
> You might have doubled the update rate, doesn't mean you are getting 
> double the data.  Game data is game data, it's not going to be any 
> different on a different OS, the game still sends data just the same.  
> Windows doesn't add extra headers to the UDP packet either, a UDP packet 
> is a UDP packet, so whatever you change you are seeing is probably just 
> in your head.
>
> Crazy Canucks wrote:
>   
>> Can't help you with your specific problem, and this is a bit ot, but 
>> stick with Linux, you'll be happy you did.  I switched from Windows to 
>> Linux, and yes, it was a steep learning curve, but once I started 
>> figuring things out, I was extremely happy I did.
>>
>> Just an example of the benefits:
>>
>> I host game servers for my clan on the weekend, and I host our website 
>> on the the same box as the game servers.  When I start up the game 
>> server, I take down the full website, and put up a minimal one in it's 
>> place.  Anyway, on Windows, I used to have a check list, with about 20 
>> steps on it for starting up and shutting down the game servers.
>>
>> I now have scripts that have replaced those twenty steps with one.  I 
>> have a script that I run to start the servers, and I enter the name of 
>> the game I want to play, the script handles everything else, and a cron 
>> script shuts down the game server and puts back up the full website in 
>> the morning after the game nights.
>>
>> My servers are bandwidth challenged.  When I switched to Linux I was 
>> able to essentially double the update rate for my servers.  I can only 
>> guess that Windows attaches some kind of bulky header to the packets 
>> which Linux doesn't.  Switching to Linux was the smartest thing I've 
>> ever done for my clan servers.
>>
>> Drek
>>
>> Arthur wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Any hints as to which packages? New to Linux its proving a steep learning
>>> curve - windows is so much easier :(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordy van
>>> Wolferen
>>> Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 7:22 PM
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server
>>> filesavailable
>>>
>>>
>>> This is only for an AMD64 box.
>>> Maybe you can update the necessary packages for 32 bit, without
>>> upgrading to lenny.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:33 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Its a 32bit intel box,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordy van
>>>> Wolferen
>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 5:17 PM
>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server
>>>> filesavailable
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you keep the ia32-libs installed? You still need them
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:40 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Never mind :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Relised i forgot to extract the .deb file, however still doesnt work
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> running
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-15_i386.deb
>>>>>
>>>>> Just segmentation faults on start up,
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 4:20 PM
>>>>> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server
>>>>> filesavailable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Few questions for you,
>>>>>
>>>>> a) how do you remove the LD_PRELOAD paramater?
>>>>>
>>>>> b) output of my console now
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could not locate steam binary:./steam, ignoring.
>>>>> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/games/l4d/temp/libc6_2.7-15_i386.deb' from
>>>>> LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
>>>>> Failed to open bin/dedicated_i486.so (/lib/tls/libc.so.6: version
>>>>> `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by bin/dedicated_i486.so))
>>>>> Add "-debug" to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> help
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> with solving this problem
>>>>> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/games/l4d/temp/libc6_2.7-15_i386.deb' from
>>>>> LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
>>>>> Mon Nov 10 16:18:51 EST 2008: Server restart in 10 seconds
>>>>> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/games/l4d/temp/libc6_2.7-15_i386.deb' from
>>>>> LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dual Core2 Quad Box running debian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordy van
>>>>> Wolferen
>>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 12:14 PM
>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server
>>>>> filesavailable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I fixed it on my Debian Etch AMD64 server.
>>>>> I used this package:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libc6-i386
>>>>>
>>>>> wget
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-i386_2.7-15_amd64.de
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> b
>>>>> ar x libc6-i386_2.7-15_amd64.deb
>>>>> tar xvzf data.tar.gz
>>>>>
>>>>> Then LD_PRELOAD the lib like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> export LD_PRELOAD=/home/l4d/tmp/lib32/libc-2.7.so (ofcourse your path
>>>>> to that file)
>>>>>
>>>>> Run that before you start your server.
>>>>> It seems to run fine :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Jordy van Wolferen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>>> If you do find a way to make a deb, let us know, so we can use it too :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 11:37 -0800, J T wrote:
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Debian Etch is the latest stable. The main reason why it has libc6 2.3
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>> is
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>>>> because 2.3 still supports kernel 2.4, in the next release of lenny it
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> will
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> ship with libc6 2.7 which should correct the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have the choice of installing a new OS, choose ubuntu, since
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> they
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>> seem to have newer version of most packages. Debian is sometimes
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> doesn't
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>> include newer packages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking at possibly trying to get glibc into a .dpkg so I don't
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> have
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> to
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> run debootstrap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> No and yes... it's the most recent stable release of debian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux-
>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CNU
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 07 November 2008 19:20
>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Left 4 Dead Demo Dedicated Server
>>>>>>>>> filesavailable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are everyone running Debian Etch here or something? Isn't it
>>>>>>>>> like...ancient?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> CNU
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