I guess you misunderstood the point of this thread. The argument is against allowing servers to run plugins that misreport bots as normal players, take players names and images upon them disconnecting to use as a bot. This is the issue. I'm not saying all plugins or custom games.
Amazing how people read what they want to read. CP On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:44 PM, msleeper <mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com>wrote: > It is crying, though. Server ops are free to run their servers how > they please, even if you don't like it yourself. Running servers that > promote donations or give certain players enhanced stats is just as > valid as servers running, say, Prop Hunt or Dodgeball or any other > drastically gameplay altering changes. The problem with fake clients > and redirects is that it is negatively affecting the player experience > outside of the game; joining a server that is being advertised as one > thing (being full) when in fact it's something else (actually empty, > or redirecting to a different empty server) is leaps and bounds > difference than running gameplay changing plugins. > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:31 PM, coffee problem <spoofedpac...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > These are multiple issues. Please don't try to wrap it into one. The > > problem in particular with the ranking system, if you trick a few newbies > > into thinking they are playing with 23 other people for five minutes, > > there's no negative impact on their server's score. Valve knows who is > > running these plugins and isn't doing anything about it. They are just > > playing ignorant on the matter, at least, until something happens that > > forces them to address it. > > > > Please grow up and stop calling it "crying" for wanting Valve to take > > action for a clean community. I'm just expressing concerns. This isn't > Halo. > > > > CP > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM, msleeper <mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com > >wrote: > > > >> Fake clients is one thing, and Valve has taken a stance against it > >> with the server score/delisting. The problem here is that this method > >> is not valid with these communities in particular; they're too "well > >> known" to be negatively affected by the scoring/delisting mechanism. > >> Valve needs to take manual action, and they seem ambivalent at best > >> regarding the issue. Doesn't matter what server ops are doing as long > >> as your customers have somewhere to play, right boys? > >> > >> But as for "begging for money" or "selling super powers": cry more. > >> It's not deceiving players, and if players don't like it then they'll > >> leave the server. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Emil Larsson <ail...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Indeed, I hate those fakeplayers servers as anyone else, but I think > it's > >> > better to educate the average user why and how to report those > servers. > >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:55 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Let the system run couple more weeks. Players will use the report > tool > >> if > >> >> they are aware of it. As a server admin, be very carefull about > >> reporting > >> >> other servers. It might kick you in the face, unless you personally > >> play on > >> >> those other servers and see that they are bad. > >> >> > >> >> -ics > >> >> > >> >> 1.11.2011 20:48, coffee problem kirjoitti: > >> >> > >> >> Hi Saul, > >> >>> > >> >>> I have logged in to report as many as I've had the energy to do > since > >> the > >> >>> reporting feature was implemented. They are still up and running, > also > >> of > >> >>> note: they are still on the 'play now' list even though there are > >> multiple > >> >>> reasons they shouldn't be. The ones I speak of have been de-listed > >> from > >> >>> ranking sites for well over a year, so it is detectable and > well-known > >> who > >> >>> these admins are. > >> >>> > >> >>> Valve is just sitting on their hands with this garbage. They've had > a > >> >>> number of reports brought against servers regarding the Halloween > >> event, > >> >>> and none of these have had any action taken. > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks, > >> >>> CP > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Saul Rennison<saul.rennison@gmail. > >> **com<saul.renni...@gmail.com> > >> >>> >wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> This is why they implemented server blacklisting. Report the > server, > >> it > >> >>>> will be delisted. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Kind regards, > >> >>>> *Saul Rennison* > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On 1 November 2011 18:39, coffee problem<spoofedpacket@gmail. > **com< > >> spoofedpac...@gmail.com>> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> So, this has been brought to light several times in the past and > >> Valve > >> >>>>> ignores anyone's request for even a stance on the matter. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> You've got about five large "communities" built up on false stats, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> begging > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> for money and trying to deceive new players with server plugins. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> When is Valve going to take a stance or do something about this? > >> What's > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> it > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> going to take to get someone in the company to grow a pair and say > >> >>>>> something? 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