Then Congrats. I can't due the same thing as simply my community just wants perks. So it was either perks or ads and ads seemed like the lesser of two evils
Sent from my android device. -----Original Message----- From: Russell Smith <ve...@tinylittlerobots.us> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HTML MOTDs not rendering? I get what I ask for, yes. On 13.09.2012 11:24, Cameron Munroe wrote: > Do you get enough to cover all costs? > > On 9/13/2012 11:23 AM, Russell Smith wrote: >> I don't give donator perks and still manage to get donations. So >> that's not a problem. >> >> On 13.09.2012 11:20, Cameron Munroe wrote: >>> And what if they don't allow the communities to mod this X game so >>> that you can't give everyone perks? How about your donations then? >>> >>> On 9/13/2012 11:07 AM, Russell Smith wrote: >>>> Team Fortress communities, and other PC game communities, have >>>> survived off donations since their inception in the 90s. Your >>>> "business model" relies on Valve not disabling this functionality in >>>> the motd. Granted it's not likely they will now that they're >>>> officially sanctioning this behavior with CS:GO and Pinion's >>>> Official servers. However, you've now locked yourself and your >>>> community into that ecosystem. >>>> >>>> What if a new game comes out that you and your community would >>>> like to play together? What if it doesn't support streaming ads in >>>> the motd? Your profit motive now runs against you ever branching >>>> out and growing outward. >>>> >>>> I think it is you that is short sighted. >>>> >>>> On 13.09.2012 01:08, Saint K. wrote: >>>>> Extremely short sighted vision there. >>>>> >>>>> The internet basicly ran of ad income. >>>>> >>>>> Servers and services have to be funded one way or another. The >>>>> same >>>>> is when you watch TV, you'll get ads thrown in your face. >>>>> Displaying >>>>> ads in a MOTD is much less instrusive. Say you get 1 ad served >>>>> every >>>>> 30-45 minutes at map change compared to the amount of ads served >>>>> on >>>>> TV, newspapers etc etc. >>>>> >>>>> As long as ads are not extremely instrusive and put infront of >>>>> your >>>>> face every other minute there is nothing wrong with it. >>>>> >>>>> Not everyone runs a community where their members apparently seem >>>>> to >>>>> have a unlimited cashflow coming in. >>>>> Sometimes you need a bit of extra money to be able to innovate >>>>> and grow. >>>>> >>>>> Saint K. >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>> [hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Russell >>>>> Smith >>>>> [ve...@tinylittlerobots.us] >>>>> Sent: 13 September 2012 08:28 >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HTML MOTDs not rendering? >>>>> >>>>> Running a server to try and make money is a weird prospect to me. >>>>> >>>>> If you meant to ask how to pay for server costs then: get a job, >>>>> or >>>>> build a community where your players don't mind helping to >>>>> contribute. >>>>> >>>>> On 12.09.2012 23:12, Cameron Munroe wrote: >>>>>> How else would you suggest a server make money? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also the issue with the video should be fixed in the new version >>>>>> of >>>>>> pinion so it won't keep playing after you join. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also its not on youtube, it is hosted by the company. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/12/2012 8:36 PM, cladiron wrote: >>>>>>> No disprespect, but i disagree. >>>>>>> I think theres more going on in the back end than what you >>>>>>> think. >>>>>>> I'm not going to name the server, but there is 1 i play on, and >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> crappy motd ad in it. >>>>>>> Even pressing the button to move on to the next window to enter >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> server, >>>>>>> the youtube video will still play in the back ground till it's >>>>>>> finished. >>>>>>> The only think i know to do is disable the HTML in the client >>>>>>> settings so >>>>>>> it will not render it. >>>>>>> Then the issue is fixed. Downside, it suxs to have to go to >>>>>>> setting >>>>>>> each >>>>>>> time i join a server that has a video in it. >>>>>>> Keep in mind, the video has to precache to play just as it does >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> looking at it threw IE or firefox. >>>>>>> This precache lags players when entering the server until the >>>>>>> video >>>>>>> ends. >>>>>>> Another thing that has to be considered is if the video at >>>>>>> youtube >>>>>>> is also >>>>>>> under a heavy load. >>>>>>> Have you ever gone to youtube and waited on a video to load, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> have to >>>>>>> reload it to play ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just hope the admin's really think about the clients, and not >>>>>>> bogging >>>>>>> them down as they join the server. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before anyone jumps in and says well change servers, i like the >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> i play >>>>>>> on due to my ping. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Frank <ad...@gamerscrib.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now this is ill informed post if I ever saw one - the ads in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> MOTD are >>>>>>>> not causing this issue. There have been instances when they >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> some bad >>>>>>>> ads >>>>>>>> but they were quick to fix it. It's not a bad thing to want >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> recover >>>>>>>> costs incurred for running well managed servers - people need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>>> this as a bad thing. You only see the ads for maybe a moment >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>> click right by them but they do help support good managed >>>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>> Carl >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:32 PM >>>>>>>> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HTML MOTDs not rendering? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this isn't for one of those really annoying HTML ads >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> degenerate servers have been abusing their players with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/12/2012 4:41 AM, Bjorn Wielens wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This was touched on in a previous post - Does anyone know a >>>>>>>>> solution for >>>>>>>> MOTDs not rendering (just a gray box, not even a >>>>>>>> background/plain >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> shows). >>>>>>>>> I've had this happen to me with both HTML motds and plain >>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>> contained >>>>>>>> in the motd.txt file. >>>>>>>>> The weird things are that: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a) some people can see the MOTDs fine. >>>>>>>>> b) right clicking the box and hitting 'view source' shows the >>>>>>>>> HTML >>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>> of the correct MOTD page >>>>>>>>> c) I've gotten it to show up for me exactly once. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Running our servers on Linux, there's no flash content or ads >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> motd, >>>>>>>> and they render fine in a webkit-based browser. >>>>>>>>> I've tried both just the MOTD url in motd.txt as well as a >>>>>>>>> META >>>>>>>>> refresh >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> redirect. both have the same result. >>>>>>>>> If anyone knows of a fix, I'm all ears as we're in a >>>>>>>>> situation >>>>>>>>> where most >>>>>>>> of our traffic is passthru Quickplay, and I'd like to at least >>>>>>>> inform them >>>>>>>> about server rules and the existence of our other >>>>>>>> servers/extended/non-tf2 >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>> Thanks! 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