No, I meant the kid that was saying most people want instant respawn times. Because of that message I have reopened my investigations on the "punch people in the face through the internet" machine.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > If you are talking to me, yeah i have actually tried balancing few maps > for TF2 with respawn waves set by the map. The whole instant spawn ruins > most maps completely as they become unbeatable. > > > -ics > > Gordon Reynolds kirjoitti: > >> I would keep using the default respawn times because it makes a huge >> difference in map balance? >> >> Why is this even a question, have you ever tried to balance a map for TF2, >> or any game with respawn waves, or are you one of those people who, upon >> dying, frantically just clicks their mouse in a silent building rage in >> some attempt to spawn faster? >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM, DontWannaName! <ad...@topnotchclan.com >> >wrote: >> >> No I blame you invalid protocol, thats the most logical assumption. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Invalid Protocol < >>> invalidprotocolversion@gmail.**com <invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Let's assume that there's no quickplay rule regarding respawn times, or >>>> even >>>> better, let's assume that there's no quickplay at all. What would you >>>> do? >>>> :) >>>> You would still use the default respawn times or you would mod the >>>> server(s) >>>> to have faster / instant respawn? >>>> >>>> My opinion is that many are using now the default respawn times only >>>> because >>>> Valve said so, not because they think that players want this. You should >>>> blame Valve for adding stupid rules, not the "malicious" server >>>> >>> operators. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: >>>> hlds_linux-bounces@list.**valvesoftware.com<hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-bounces@**list.valvesoftware.com<hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>] >>>> On Behalf Of ics >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:42 PM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Policy of Truth: Respawn Times >>>> >>>> I can understand players frustration regarding respawn times, since they >>>> want to play, not wait for to play. Arena doesn't get much love due to >>>> this. But the regular player doesn't understand that maps do not work as >>>> they should witn such respawn that they expect. >>>> >>>> Also I just think it's unfair for other people who run servers to have >>>> these servers that have instant or faster spawn in quiickplay cycle >>>> along with the rest of us. >>>> >>>> -ics >>>> >>>> Gordon Reynolds kirjoitti: >>>> >>>>> I can see respawntimes are a hard one to easily verify, you have to >>>>> >>>> join >>> >>>> the server yourself, and most new users have no concept of what a >>>>> >>>> "normal >>> >>>> respawn" time is. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen people >>>>> >>>> type >>> >>>> something along the lines of, "wtf is with this respawn, 20 seconds? >>>>> >>>> I'm >>> >>>> out" and then just leave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Last time i checked, nearly a month ago, there were several >>>>>> >>>>> communities >>> >>>> having multiple servers that modified respawn times. Either very fast >>>>>> >>>>> or >>> >>>> instant. They all were in quickplay participants. I checked and >>>>>> >>>>> reported >>> >>>> each one of them. I'm not sure if they are along anymore or has >>>>>> >>>>> someone >>> >>>> actually gone through reports and removed the servers from quickplay >>>>>> through penalty ban. >>>>>> >>>>>> -ics >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Johansen kirjoitti: >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know whether the plugins are fixed, but I know of many >>>>>> >>>>> people >>> >>>> that are not subscribed to this list, and are running an old version >>>>>>> >>>>>> of >>> >>>> some plugin released on AM a couple of months ago which does not add >>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>> >>>>> tags required. I know the plugin authors have added this feature now, >>>>>>> >>>>>> but >>>> >>>>> who knows, people might not be watching the forums for new plugins as >>>>>>> >>>>>> most >>>> >>>>> of them are "set and forget". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: abdulk...@live.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.****com<hlds_linux@list.** >>>> valvesoftware.com <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:47:34 +0100 >>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds_linux] Policy of Truth: Respawn Times >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This has been brought up several times but it is only getting worse, >>>>>>>> this needs to be addressed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are many quickplay-enabled servers out there that change the >>>>>>>> respawn times without having the 'respawntimes' sv_tag. I have used >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>> >>>>> server-report feature to bring this to Valve's attention only for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> nothing >>>> >>>>> to happen after weeks. The amount of servers now doing this has only >>>>>>>> increased to the point that when a quickplay-user joins a populated >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> 32/32 >>>> >>>>> server, they would complain and leave due to long respawn times (not >>>>>>>> realizing that other servers have fast-respawn enabled on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> quickplay). >>> >>>> Are we to see any enforcement, or should we join the crowd doing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> this >>> >>>> considering it is becoming necessary to compete and maintain the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> community. >>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> archives, >>> >>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware. >>>> **com/cgi-bin/mailman/**listinfo/**hlds_linux<https >>>> ://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_**linux<http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> >>>>>> archives, >>> >>>> please visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware. >>>> **com/cgi-bin/mailman/**listinfo/**hlds_linux<https >>>> ://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_**linux<http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware. >>>> **com/cgi-bin/mailman/**listinfo/**hlds_linux<https >>>> ://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_**linux<http://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>> >>> >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > -- - Gordon Reynolds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
