The real problem is, Valve is more a like a fire brigade, it runs around and extinguishes the (bigger) fires, and then leaves again. After which the fire comes back up again.
There is none at valve that is regularly addressing ongoing issues without "reports", be it weekly, monthly or even yearly. Issues like servers doing stuff like this have to grow in excess (again) before they notice it and are willing to address it (again). The problem there is that such is then not punished/addressed fast enough to be effective, for the haphazard IP change to evade the ban maybe once in 2 years (excluding Valve time) isn't a problem for those servers... would be different if they had to every month. >________________________________ > From: ics <i...@ics-base.net> >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list ><hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> >Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 11:06 >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Uh, so are we going to take care of all these fake >player servers? > > >I don't think anyone there really has time to read those reports about >abuse over TF2 reporting tool. It's way down on their priority list. >There's no one to tell "read those reports and do something". That's >sort of a problem with no management, since no one seems to see that as >important untill someone complains about it on this list or elsewhere. >After that, it gets into their attention zone and up on their >priorities. Even if it's a small thing, it seems to be the hardest. > >The reason why i took my words back was that i was contacted by someone >at Valve over e-mail asking about servers, which i reported over to them >using the tool. I guess it was faster to ask directly than browse over >hundreds of reports to find the ones i did. > >-ics > >1nsane kirjoitti: >> It's been like that for a while now. Atleast when it comes to the master >> server and the ingame server browser. (not the favorites tab, not the steam >> browser). >> >> The problem is the game is free, you can make any account you want and then >> use third party clients or even the normal text client to connect to a >> server and inflate the counts. >> >> Now if you make your own "third party" client then you can automate this. >> >> As such a more active role needs to be taken when dealing with fake >> players. Valve could make better use of the ingame reporting tool as well >> as the emails admins send with reports. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Saul Rennison >> <saul.renni...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> That would be the most sensical solution to the problem. Let Steam report >>> currently connected clients to the master that is updated when clients >>> authenticate with servers. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Drogen Viech <drogenvi...@googlemail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Why not just count the amount of players on valves end and then send >>>> that along with the server list? Or would that take up too much >>>> computing power on valves servers? >>>> 2013/8/1 Scruppy Dawg <sc2p...@gmail.com>: >>>>> 209.22.16.210 in the original post should have been 209.222.16.210 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for acting on the others. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:08 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I shall take back what i said. >>>>>> >>>>>> -ics >>>>>> >>>>>> ics kirjoitti: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fakeplayers aren't the only issue. I've reported another community >>> that >>>>>>> recently got banned due to abusing quickplay rules. They changed >>>>>>> IP-addresses to circumvent the ban. But no one seems to care at Valve >>> end >>>>>>> about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is no witchunt but it sucks that another server next to yours is >>>>>>> sucking off players from the system that could be playing on a server >>> that >>>>>>> doesn't violate rules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -ics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> D Bauhmz kirjoitti: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hate to be pushy and seem impatient but these servers have been >>> reported >>>>>>>> for a few weeks now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - 173.234.142.122 >>>>>>>> - 209.22.16.210 >>>>>>>> - 174.34.172.202 >>>>>>>> - 173.208.108.250 >>>>>>>> - 173.208.123.42 >>>>>>>> - 108.61.31.154 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's taken from this reddit post >>>>>>>> >>> http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/**comments/1j6r6x/the_fake_**player_problem/< >>> http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1j6r6x/the_fake_player_problem/> >>>>>>>> I just counted and it appears there are 92 servers doing this. >>>>>>>> ElitePowered >>>>>>>> (http://community.**elitepowered.com < >>> http://community.elitepowered.com>) >>>>>>>> is the community behind all of these >>>>>>>> blank hostname servers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can verify this through the MOTD. Here is an image of the >>> relevant >>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>> from the MOTD source: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/nikM45b.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know one could potentially fake this by creating an elitepowered >>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>> with Pinion, but elitepowered has already been known to do this sort >>> of >>>>>>>> thing. They bought out thebattlegrounds after they got delisted for >>> doing >>>>>>>> this too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is Valve doing about this? If servers can make all this money >>> off >>>>>>>> running multiple advertising networks on their server with fake >>> clients >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> months before Valve acts then I see no reason why more communities >>>>>>>> shouldn't be doing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is a screenshot of all the servers in the server browser: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/0H8Ifs2.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you want to verify this, join one of the 16/24 servers and view >>> the >>>>>>>> output of status/ping. 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