> Can you give us some more hints? Will it still be worth my while to write > up about the anatomy of Hobo applications, or will this new tool completely > change the anatomy of Hobo? > > Sorry, my fault. It's a little bit too early to talk about that. Anyway it would not change hobo in any way. It would just add a very easy tool to ask for support, reproduce problems and give support sometime with just one 2 words command.
ciao dd > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Henry Baragar < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > On December 8, 2010 06:02:50 pm Domizio Demichelis wrote: > > > > > Henry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There is quite a few overlapping pages, so the resulting pages > will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > be the sum of the books (at least in theory). Anyway, what is a "too > > > > > big" > > > > > > > > > > book? You will not have to carry it phisically, and even if you > would, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > would have to carry 2 books however. I really don't see any advantage > > > > > > > > > > splitting the pages into 2 documents instead of one: just > > > > > disadvantages. > > > > > > > > I know that there is some overlap, which is why I estimated 500, not > 600. > > > > > > > > As for what is too big: I had been thinking that over 300 pages is > > > > starting to get daunting. But then, my copy of "Agile Development with > > > > Rails" is 558 pages and my copy of Programming Ruby is 830 pages; other > > > > technical books seem to be in the same range. So, I may have > > > > miscalculated and 500 is not too big. > > > > > > > > > 2. Two books with no criterion distinguishing them, is a pain in the > > > > > > > > neck > > > > > > > > > when you have to search some reference: for the Murphy law, what you > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > searching will be always in the second one you search. :-) Besides, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > one is what you have to start with if you are n00b? > > > > > > > > For a Noob, I would recommend to start with Tom Locke's screencast, > > > > followed by the Agility tutorial:-) Then Rapid Rails with Hobo, and > Hobo > > > > at Work last. > > > > > > > > I have always thought of Rapid Rails with Hobo as a tutorial and recipe > > > > book, while Hobo at Work as a reference manual. I almost never refer to > > > > Rapid Rails with Hobo (I prefer cookbook.hobocentral.net) and > regularly > > > > refer to Hobo at Work. So, maybe I am getting subjected to Murphy's Law > > > > between the website and Hobo at Work, but rarely between the two books. > I > > > > guess other people are having different experiences. > > > > > > > > > 3. IMHO more books don't look better from an advertising point of > view. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > lead an advertising agency for 8 years and I learned that you better > > > > > > > > focus > > > > > > > > > on one single target to avoid dispersion. If there aren't "The Holy > > > > > > > > Bible" > > > > > > > > > and "The Holy Bilble under the Hood"... it has to be for some good > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > If you put the two books together, then you had better group the > chapters > > > > in to different sections. For example the Agile Web Development with > > > > Rails has four four sections --- "Getting Started", "Building an > > > > Application", "The Rails Framework" and "Appendices" --- which really > is > > > > two books bundled into one. But, I guess this argues your point:-) > > > > However, I sometimes get annoyed wading through the search hits in the > > > > non-reference part of the book before I get to the reference parts I > > > > wanted to focus on. > > > > > > > > As for the advertising side of it, I would like to find some measure to > > > > show the richness of Hobo. I was thinking that the number of books > > > > produced by the core team would be such a measure. What other measure > > > > can we use (other than number of lines of code not written)? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > ciao > > > > > > > > > > dd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Henry Baragar > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm OK with leaving them a separate books. One is 236 pages, the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 330 page. A combined book would be at least 500 pages, which too > big. > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus, more books looks better from an advertising point of view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > > > > On December 7, 2010 04:47:02 pm Owen Dall wrote: > > > > > > > One was for tutorials and the other for reference, for looking > > > > > > > "Under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hood" :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the beginning there was one book, with a single chapter at the > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > containing all of what now comprises "Hobo at Work". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am all for merging them again, since we are no longer moving > from > > > > > > > > Mac > > > > > > > > > > > Pages to Mac Word 2008, and then Word 2007. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Owen > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry Baragar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instantiated Software > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > > > > Groups > > > > > > > > > > "Hobo Users" group. > > > > > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]<hobousers%[email protected]> > <hobousers%2bunsubscr...@google > > > > > > groups.com> > > > > > > > > <hobousers%2bunsubscr...@googlegrou > > > > > > > > > > ps.com> . > > > > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/hobousers?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Henry Baragar > > > > > > > > Instantiated Software > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "Hobo Users" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<hobousers%[email protected]> > <hobousers%2bunsubscr...@googlegrou > > > > ps.com> . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/hobousers?hl=en. > > > -- > > Henry Baragar > > Instantiated Software > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Hobo Users" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<hobousers%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hobousers?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hobo Users" group. 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