> Can you give us some more hints? Will it still be worth my while to write
> up about the anatomy of Hobo applications, or will this new tool completely
> change the anatomy of Hobo?
>
>
Sorry, my fault. It's a little bit too early to talk about that. Anyway it
would not change hobo in any way. It would just add a very easy tool to ask
for support, reproduce problems and give support sometime with just one 2
words command.

ciao
dd



> >
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Henry Baragar <
>
> >
>
> > [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On December 8, 2010 06:02:50 pm Domizio Demichelis wrote:
>
> > > > Henry,
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 1. There is quite a few overlapping pages, so the resulting pages
> will
>
> > >
>
> > > not
>
> > >
>
> > > > be the sum of the books (at least in theory). Anyway, what is a "too
>
> > > > big"
>
> > > >
>
> > > > book? You will not have to carry it phisically, and even if you
> would,
>
> > >
>
> > > you
>
> > >
>
> > > > would have to carry 2 books however. I really don't see any advantage
>
> > > >
>
> > > > splitting the pages into 2 documents instead of one: just
>
> > > > disadvantages.
>
> > >
>
> > > I know that there is some overlap, which is why I estimated 500, not
> 600.
>
> > >
>
> > > As for what is too big: I had been thinking that over 300 pages is
>
> > > starting to get daunting. But then, my copy of "Agile Development with
>
> > > Rails" is 558 pages and my copy of Programming Ruby is 830 pages; other
>
> > > technical books seem to be in the same range. So, I may have
>
> > > miscalculated and 500 is not too big.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 2. Two books with no criterion distinguishing them, is a pain in the
>
> > >
>
> > > neck
>
> > >
>
> > > > when you have to search some reference: for the Murphy law, what you
>
> > > > are
>
> > > >
>
> > > > searching will be always in the second one you search. :-) Besides,
>
> > > > which
>
> > > >
>
> > > > one is what you have to start with if you are n00b?
>
> > >
>
> > > For a Noob, I would recommend to start with Tom Locke's screencast,
>
> > > followed by the Agility tutorial:-) Then Rapid Rails with Hobo, and
> Hobo
>
> > > at Work last.
>
> > >
>
> > > I have always thought of Rapid Rails with Hobo as a tutorial and recipe
>
> > > book, while Hobo at Work as a reference manual. I almost never refer to
>
> > > Rapid Rails with Hobo (I prefer cookbook.hobocentral.net) and
> regularly
>
> > > refer to Hobo at Work. So, maybe I am getting subjected to Murphy's Law
>
> > > between the website and Hobo at Work, but rarely between the two books.
> I
>
> > > guess other people are having different experiences.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 3. IMHO more books don't look better from an advertising point of
> view.
>
> > > > I
>
> > > >
>
> > > > lead an advertising agency for 8 years and I learned that you better
>
> > >
>
> > > focus
>
> > >
>
> > > > on one single target to avoid dispersion. If there aren't "The Holy
>
> > >
>
> > > Bible"
>
> > >
>
> > > > and "The Holy Bilble under the Hood"... it has to be for some good
>
> > > > reason
>
> > >
>
> > > If you put the two books together, then you had better group the
> chapters
>
> > > in to different sections. For example the Agile Web Development with
>
> > > Rails has four four sections --- "Getting Started", "Building an
>
> > > Application", "The Rails Framework" and "Appendices" --- which really
> is
>
> > > two books bundled into one. But, I guess this argues your point:-)
>
> > > However, I sometimes get annoyed wading through the search hits in the
>
> > > non-reference part of the book before I get to the reference parts I
>
> > > wanted to focus on.
>
> > >
>
> > > As for the advertising side of it, I would like to find some measure to
>
> > > show the richness of Hobo. I was thinking that the number of books
>
> > > produced by the core team would be such a measure. What other measure
>
> > > can we use (other than number of lines of code not written)?
>
> > >
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > >
>
> > > Henry
>
> > >
>
> > > > :-)
>
> > > >
>
> > > > ciao
>
> > > >
>
> > > > dd
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Henry Baragar
>
> > > >
>
> > > > <[email protected]
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I'm OK with leaving them a separate books. One is 236 pages, the
>
> > > > > other
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > is
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > 330 page. A combined book would be at least 500 pages, which too
> big.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Plus, more books looks better from an advertising point of view.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Henry
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > On December 7, 2010 04:47:02 pm Owen Dall wrote:
>
> > > > > > One was for tutorials and the other for reference, for looking
>
> > > > > > "Under
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > the
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > Hood" :-)
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > At the beginning there was one book, with a single chapter at the
>
> > > > > > end
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > containing all of what now comprises "Hobo at Work".
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > I am all for merging them again, since we are no longer moving
> from
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> > >
>
> > > Mac
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > Pages to Mac Word 2008, and then Word 2007. :-)
>
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > > -Owen
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> > > > >
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> > > > > Henry Baragar
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