I think you've got my position quite reasonably.  On the other hand, I'm not 
sure I see why you think that it conflicts with your “new position”.  Like you, 
I wouldn't mind if the automatic tactic behind "by" was arbitrarily powerful.  
Nonetheless, the current implementation of miz3's "by" does seem to emulate the 
deliberate weaknesses of Mizar's reasoner. 

Michael

On 26/07/2012, at 16:50, Bill Richter <rich...@math.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Freek, I realized that my new position is that think I I don't agree with 
> Michael, who I believe was saying that miz3 only behaves in a Mizar-like 
> fashion because limitations you & John imposed on miz3 and the weakness of 
> MESON.  If I misquoted Michael, I apologize.  My new position is that miz3 is 
> Mizar-like enough for me no matter how powerful miz3 and MESON are.  Even if 
> miz3 could quickly prove all my theorems if I asked it too, I can still write 
> up what I call readable proofs, and miz3 will only try to justify my proofs.  
> Miz3 won't on its own steam go prove the theorem. 

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