--- In [email protected], Know Mystery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ts wrote: > > "# (diff) (hist) . . m Empowerments; 18:30 . . -ts- > (Talk) (you are a control freak joyce ;)) > # (diff) (hist) . . m Main Page; 18:29 . . -ts- (Talk) > (you are a control freak joyce ;))" > > ~~~~ > > ts, the person with "control issues" is YOU. > > Someone (Lobster??) posted a pretty visual icon and > you deleted it and replaced it with a text > explanation.
~~~ no icon shows up joyce. not on my computer anyway. i don't believe it can as he posted it ... as pics cannot be remotely loaded ... they have to first be uploaded to Wikicities. is this not so? ~~~ > You said that "no one knows what it is" ~~~ yes. for the reason stated above. is this not so? ~~~ > Then you said that people need to be guided. ~~~ only because it doesn't appear to me that there was anything there other than the symbol that wiki uses for an external link. just a little blue box with a number in it. is this not so? if this is not the case ... and there is somehow an icon there ... as gathered from a remote link ... i would be surprised ... pleasantly so btw ... and intrigued as to how that is done as i am not aware of how it could be. i must say i was suprised that lob wouldn't have caught it if it didn't work as he expected but ... we all make mistypes and only realize it later. can you explain how this link works? [http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/125x50/takebacktheweb_125x50.png] there is no icon visible on the wiki page [for me anyway] and the link only takes me to http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ that's why i don't understand what he was trying to do. now if the icon was uploaded to wiki ... then we might be able to do: [http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ | [[Image:takebacktheweb.png]]|] or some such thing. but i don't see how it could work as posted. afaik, wikicities doesn't not allow the displaying of pics, including icons, from remote sites. they have to be uploaded 1st. please explain how lob could have gotten around this? it would be great if this were so ... so i want to know how it can be done. i just don't see how. i wonder why this icon would show up for you ... and not be seen by me. i am using firefox btw. anyway ... i understand now why you think i sabotaged your efforts. do you understand how i came to the same conclusion about you were sabotaging mine? i can certianly see then why each of us could conclude that the other is a control freak [which may indeed be true] ;) when in fact each of us was trying to make things clear. only the data available for each of us is apparently different. that makes it difficult to communicate about what we see, eh? can we see this for what it is? a misunderstanding. a miscommunication. regardless of whether the icon shows up or not ... and again, i do not see how .. i misinterpreted what your motives were ... and you mine. can we realize that? and then get back to the work at hand without interfering with one another? i'm game. but i sure would be interested in seeing how that icon works. please consider this: even if you can see it ... my browser does not. and certainly then there will be other people who will also only see the little blue wiki box indicating an external link. this is barely noticable on my browser ... and certainly easy to miss altogether. [someone here please go to http://peace.wikicities.com/index.php/Empowerments scroll down to the bottom of the page .. and let us know what you see, if anything. let's do some indepentant scouting. and please let us know what browser you are using. thanks] so what can we do to ensure we do not leave those folks out? there is a way i think, to put in alternative text. then ... if the pic isn't loaded, the alt text tells what should have been there. that way everyone would have some clue as to what it was. let's explore then how this actually works ... and see if we can get it to work for all. would that be acceptable? thanks -ts- ~~~ > ts, the people there are adults. They do NOT need > anyone to guide them, and if they need help, there are > ample avenues for people to request it. > > Then you call ME a control freak. > > You state that people are incapable of using a simple > button on a page without GUIDANCE from you... > > You are imposing your 'help' on people when they have > not asked for it. Do you realize that is what you are > doing? > > I think your intentions are probably honorable in that > regards, but think about it. > > People there are not children who need guidance. If > people ask for help that is fine... BUT to impose help > when NONE has been requested is ... what? > > And that is the crux of much of the problem there - > you have assumed the mantle of giver of guidance. > > To impose "help" when none has been requested is to > project lack onto people... you are saying that people > lack the intelligence or curiousity or [insert quality > here] to use a simple web page... and you are saying > that you are the one to guide them. > > People sometimes like to click on buttons and see what > happens... there is JOY to be found in discovering... > there is mastery to be found in trying and learning > new things on one's own. Even with our own children, > we need to let them learn many things on their own. > > The example of the icon we are talking about is a > silly one but it says something. Lob posted a > mysterious icon and you felt the need to delete it and > replace it with "words" explaining what the icon was > for. Do you also give away the ending of movies to > people? Do you put a label on the outside of Christmas > presents detailing the contents of the box? > > Why remove a cute picture icon and replace it with a > text description? Why not let people experience the > fun of discovering things on their own? > > Why not let people come to you and ask for help? > Instead of imposing it unilaterally? > > I don't mean to sound harsh here, i am not feeling > harsh. I just feel that people don't need you to > interpret every little thing for them. Let people > discover and contribute on their own. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. > http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> It is better to give.... Especially when giving to a child in poverty. 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