Misguided.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:21 PM To: Michael Thomas <m...@mtcc.com> Cc: John Jason Brzozowski <john_brzozow...@cable.comcast.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+i...@sandelman.ca>, Mark Townsley <m...@townsley.net>, Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com>, Jari Arkko <jari.ar...@piuha.net>, Ted Lemon <mel...@fugue.com>, "homenet@ietf.org Group" <homenet@ietf.org>, David Lamparter <equi...@diac24.net>, Lorenzo Colitti <lore...@google.com> Subject: Re: [homenet] Servers in the home are not a crime > >In message <512958cb.8000...@mtcc.com>, Michael Thomas writes: >> Brzozowski, John wrote: >> >> The other use case for frequent renumbering is an ISP who wants to >> >> prevent the customer from setting up servers. The washing machine >>is a >> >> server. Either the ISP succeeds, or fails, but in either case, >>they are >> >> acting directly against the customer's wishes. >> >> > [jjmb] are a customer is violating their usage agreement with the ISP. >> >> >> Is there any way this working group can make a statement that my >>washing mach >> ine, >> home cameras, DVR, hot tub, thermostat, and light sockets, etc, etc, >>etc are >> not TOS-worth scofflaws, and that ISP should come up with some 21st >>century w >> ay of >> describing abusive behaviour for their customers rather than relying on >>detec >> tion of >> the heinous crime of listen(2)? > >Actually ISP's that renumber their customers regularly are performing >a DoS on their customers which actually may be illegal rather than >just a contract violation as they are deliberately breaking existing >connections. I've seen software updates take longer than a hour >to download. They also can't in good faith be said to be delivering >the Internet. They generally have to break protocol default behaviors >and write specialised servers to get this broken behaviour. There >is a expectation that when you renew a lease that you will get the >same address unless it is a exceptional circumstance. > >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> homenet mailing list >> homenet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet >-- >Mark Andrews, ISC >1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia >PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
