Scott, Hans can speak for himself,  .... and I certainly agree with your 
statement. But, I do not think Hans was saying that if the second horn could 
not play his part in the call in Beethoven 3 first horn would be blamed. I do 
think he was saying, that tutti parts are part of a whole and can hide such 
that the conductor will never say a word to them. On the other hand 
first horn is visible, very much so and the conductor would not think twice 
about pointing out their short comings .

Debbie Schmidt Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:36 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Herr Pizka wrote:
> But it is different regarding tutti players. But who points upon tutti 
> players in case of
> a mistake ? They just point to the first horn.
> 
> First, allow me to express my repect for Hans (as he has asked me to call 
> him), as a performer and teacher.  I read every word he writes, gleaning 
> through his posts and web site for any advice he gives and I think he is an 
> invaluable resource for this group.  However, I disagree with this view 
> point, esp. in regard to the fantasy that Horn 1 as the solo horn.  Having 
> played professionally in many (admittedly lesser) organizations as a member, 
> sub, or in an ensemble formed for a single performance, as a soloist to 1st 
> horn through 2nd Bb tuben and all parts in between, I have never played in a 
> group where the conductor pointed at (or blamed) Horn 1 for the fourth horn 
> blowing a solo (or any other musical line).  I have, as Horn 3, covered a 
> fourth horn solo in a student (training) orchestra, but never in a 
> professional situation (The offending player would have been fired at the 
> earliest possible moment).  We would never allow such a thing to happen.  I 
> grant that Horn 1 is 
 re
> sponsible for setting the musical style of the section, and that Horn 1 sets 
> and enforces the musical vision of the section, but unless I am mistaken, 
> when I cover second (or third, or fourth, ad nausum), I am the only person 
> covering that line, making me the soloist of that part.  This is a 
> non-trivial distinction when playing Beethoven symphonies and many others 
> (Stravinsky, Saint-Saens, Brahms, et al).  When I do lead a section, I prefer 
> a more collaborative leadership style (although as principal, I always 
> reserve the right to dictate style), trusting in the professionalism and 
> musicality of my section mates.  The hiring process usually takes care of 
> those that do not possess professionalism and musicality in sufficient 
> measure.  After all, what skills are required of the Horn 1 player that are 
> not required in the tutti players?  
> Range? Of course not! Copland requires Horn 1 and 2 to play the same high 
> notes, while the second also has to be able to negotiate an octave or two 
> lower.  Horn 3 occassionally has to play higher than Horn 1 in any given 
> piece.  
> Accuracy?  By far the most challenging part for accuracy is the Horn 2 part.
> Tone Quality (timbre)? Sheesh, do I even have to answer this? NO!
> Technique? Of course not!
> Ability to solo convincingly  and musically?  What about the famous Horn 2, 
> 3, and 4 solos we all study and some of us lucky ones get to perform? 
> I play second horn in one of the orchestras I perform in.  The reason I play 
> second is because that is the position that was open.  I played a solo and 
> excerpts and I had a trial period (one year) before I was offered full 
> membership.  Does this mean I am the second or third best player in the 
> section?  No, it means I was the best player the day of the audition for the 
> part I auditioned for. All this for a regional orchetra (third tier)!  Long 
> story short, in today's professional orchestras it takes an entire section of 
> solo quality players to produce the best section.
> Respectfully Submitted,
> Scott Young
> 
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