Hans,

I do one of these groups in my home city mainly because I am a member of the 
City's Cultural Commission. The group was good for the quality of musicians 
that we have involved. In my particular case, there are many professional music 
educators that play in the band for various reasons, some to keep their skills 
sharp, some just because of their incredible love of music of any kind. We also 
have such folks as car salesmen, a gentleman that owns a car restoration 
business, dentists, accountants and some folks that retirees.Until this year, 
my second hornist was 89 years old and still played very well, but his health 
declined. We (the entire band) miss him very much! The Band also has the 
housewives that are wanting to get away from the house and family for a little 
"me time".

Our former Director is a Professor at one of Detroit's larger Universities His 
title is Director of Bands. He's now left us after 25 years, and the band is in 
transition as we are in the process of finding a new director. Last year, the 
Band attended a festival of Bands in the Detroit Area and was directed by 
Leonard Slatkin, Music Director of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. For many, it 
was a thrill of their lives to play under such a fine conductor, and they 
really elevated their level of performance. One of the pieces they played was 
Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral (I was not available to play, I am the 
Principal horn, so my Assistant Principal played). If I remember correctly it's 
arranged by Eric W G. Leidzen. I got a link of the performance and it was very 
good. 

Don't sell these folks short just because they are amateurs. It's those folks 
that also love music, and they just didn't get the same measure of talent as 
you and some of the other top notch professionals that are a part of this list. 
In Germany, do you have such ensembles? 

I use every opportunity with my students  and tell them not to put away their 
horns when they complete their education, and to play as a way to enjoy 
themselves and to use this kind of music as a stress reliever in their lives. 
Here in the US, we desperately need this kind of art, as I feel there is a 
terrible assault on the Arts and music. Here our misguided politicians want to 
defund the National Endowment for the Arts and National Public Radio. If those 
are allowed to die, it will be a horrible blow to the arts in our nation. These 
community groups still promote arts in local as well as nationally.

I know I do spout off with a lot of posts where I firmly have my tongue planted 
in my cheek, but not this one. My mentor and high school band director was a 
champion for the Arts when he was alive, and I proudly hold his chair in 
Warren's Cultural Commission. He also was (no pun intended) instrumental in the 
formation of the band that I am member of.

I am now off to teach lessons, and then a budget meeting to see if our City 
Council is going to approve our Cultural Commission budget for this coming 
fiscal year. Please wish us good thoughts!

Walt Lewis
Warren (Michigan) Cultural Commission
Principal Horn, Warren Concert Band
Grosse Pointe Symphony Orchestra
Member Local 5 AFM



--- On Mon, 4/25/11, Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn 101 Tuning Issues
To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 3:13 PM

Steve, and how about ear training for those members ? 
What you stated is exactly causing this incredible low
level of so many groups.

As I remember, you have perfect pitch. How can you bear
this plenty of dis-tonation ?

Why this refusal to learn, the refusal to bring their "hobby"
to a higher level, special this refusal by people, who are superb
in their day job ? Many of them think, good or superb in their
day profession will make them great in their hobby also.

Wrong, perfectly wrong. There they have to start over again & again.
Having played in the high school band a year or so is not enough
for a community orchestra, might be enough to scare cattle away,
if they play in the bushes, but also giving reason for the police or
the fire guards to intervene.

And there are the absolutely insane programs for those orchestras
arranged by megalomaniac self installed conductor tyrants, as they
program pieces they would never be allowed to conduct with any
professional orchestra. I heard of community orchestras playing 
Zarathustra, Heldenleben, Mahler 5, Mahler 6 (not to be ruined),
Till, Bruckner 4 - 7 - 8, etc. Good for music libraries making
some extra income, but not serving that music nor the composer.

"Schuster bleib bei Deinem Leisten", an old proverb.
or
"Dont take in your mouth, what you cannot digest" (without pills !).
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Am 25.04.2011 um 20:43 schrieb Steve Freides:

> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Being enthusiastic about playing an instrument, is not enough.
>> One also has to care about the basic rules of music and the basic rules
>> of music making. It is not that difficult, as long as keeping discipline:
>> learning discipline, practice discipline & playing discipline.
> 
> Hans, being enthusiastic, along with a bit of background like having
> played in one's high school band _is_ enough to participate in a
> community band or orchestra.  They are not professional ensembles, and
> are often populated by people whose ear would never, in a million
> years, entitle them to play in a professional ensemble, but that's
> life.  Everyone who cares about the basic rules of music making will
> not necessarily have the ears to obey those rules.
> 
> These are people who enjoy music and if they need their band director
> to help them tune before they play, that should be OK with everyone -
> including you, and including their bandmates.  If a rare community
> group rises to a higher level of playing, that's great, and then there
> are auditions and requirements, but that is rare and, more to the
> point, it's not why most of community bands and orchestras exist.
> Rather, it's about allowing everyone who enjoys making music in a
> group setting to do so.  If attending such concerts bothers your ears,
> stay home.
> 
> -S-
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