Walter, this happen to me all the time, but I do not give up.
If just one player can benefit from my contributions, it is
worth writing.

I had one case, that an incompetent writer insulted me in 
another forum & made my products down. He used several
terminals at different places, changed his nick names
several times as well as his email IDs, but forgot to
change it at one place outside the forum. It took me
just five minutes effort to locate him. 

The case is at my lawyer now & action follows.

Kindest regards

Hans

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Am 04.05.2011 um 03:03 schrieb Walter Lewis:

> Thanks for your reply to this post, Hans. I was about to put on my b***$!!^ 
> waders, as it was getting very, very deep. I have a good friend and colleague 
> that lurks this list and he has allergic reactions to traditional mouthpieces 
> and simply had Tom Greer make him a Delrin rim for his MooseWood underbodies. 
> 
> I haven't seen so much crap being shoveled since I was in college writing 
> papers, at least I don't shill on this forum, I only critique young horn 
> players and then be accused of bad behavior.
> 
> Walt Lewis
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Unwanted vibrato
> To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 4:00 PM
> 
> Stop, stop, please. What kind of brass players do make the group you
> are acquainted to, Valerie ? What is their status, qualification, age ?
> How much copper or other metallic micro particles do brass players
> intake if they treat their instruments carefully ?
> 
> Some rare cases perhaps confirming the things you collected via
> internet might exist, but they will not confirm these generalization.
> It would be dangerous & create nothing else than an unwanted other 
> boom for certain food additives.
> 
> It is much better to look inside ourselves to find the defects in our skill
> and not in the chemicals. We are polluted by the environment anyway, 
> but not to a degree, that we start shaking our embouchure. This has many
> other sources I talked about already. 
> 
> And finally: even tons of zinc will not bring back any good embouchure 
> if gone by the age. But practicing using the brain also can bring it back
> by the time sometimes.
> 
> ############################################
> Am 03.05.2011 um 21:39 schrieb valerie wells:
> 
>>> Keep those interesting suggestions coming. <
>> 
>> Wait a minute, fellas, I'm not suggesting anything other than to keep an
>> open mind to things previously unheard.  What I'm really doing is sharing
>> information, ideas, experiences, etc.  What's done with the information,
>> ideas and experiences is completely up to the individual.  If I hear
>> anything new & relevant that seems even remotely plausible and related to
>> improving horn performance -- like zinc supplements or water bottle mutes --
>> I'll be sure to share and hope you'll do the same!  :o)
>> 
>> And yes, I agree, the copper absorption/excess theory may be sound kooky if
>> you're unfamiliar with medical conditions & treatments that involve
>> imbalances of metals (Wilson's disease, ketopyroluria, hemochromatosis,
>> mercury poisoning, lead poisoning, etc.)  The diseases caused by metal
>> imbalances usually have a degree of neurological dysfunction, such as
>> tremors, dystonias, etc.  It seems perfectly reasonable to me that the fine
>> motor control needed in musical performance could be profoundly effected by
>> even a slight imbalance of metals in the body, especially zinc which is
>> involved in dopamine synthesis as well as dozens of other biological
>> processes. Neurological manifestations of a slight metal imbalance would
>> likely be undetectable or ignored in a non musician, but be devastating to a
>> musician.  (Zinc & copper have a kinda see-saw relationship in the body,
>> when one is too high, the other is too low.  High levels of copper can
>> "complex" with dopamine interfering with it's action in normal muscle
>> movement.)
>> 
>> And yes, who knows what else we absorb from our horns and what happens to
>> these metals once inside our bodies?  Different metals are absorbed through
>> the skin at different rates depending on a number of factors such as pH,
>> molecule size, what the chemical form is, etc.  Perfectly healthy people
>> have mechanisms in place to balance metals and eliminate excesses, but
>> unfortunately some folks have defects in these mechanisms due to faulty
>> physiology and/or environmental influences.
>> 
>> For me, the significant fact is that I'm acquainted with several brass
>> players who report a decline in unwanted embouchure motions after taking
>> zinc supplements. Two of them started taking the zinc for completely
>> unrelated medical conditions. It was only in hind sight that each realized
>> their embouchure control improved after they began taking the zinc. And the
>> improvements came after struggling with the condition for a long time. They
>> were not expecting any improvement in their embouchure function from taking
>> zinc, which rules out the placebo effect in their individual cases.
>> 
>> You may disagree with my research acquaintance's conclusions as to why these
>> brass players improved after taking zinc, but please explain the rational
>> behind your conclusions if it's anything other than you've never heard of
>> this before?  Does previously unheard of mean untrue?
>> 
>> If I could make another point in this discussion it would be this:  not all
>> unwanted embouchure movements are the result of psychological or mechanical
>> issues as is often assumed in music discussion forums. The brass player with
>> these problems is frequently blamed and shamed, as if he brought the problem
>> on himself with poor technique, presumed emotional "weakness", inability to
>> "properly" relax, etc. It's obviously true that the symptoms can be
>> profoundly effected for better or worse by technique, equipment,
>> psychological/emotional status, etc., but that doesn't mean any of these
>> elements are the root cause of the disorder. Unwanted movements in the
>> embouchure can be the result of underlying, subtle physiological anomalies
>> coupled with environmental factors.  These unwanted movements may be
>> remedied by using specific nutrients, diet, various supplements,
>> medications, etc.
>> 
>> Sometimes we need to dig a little deeper beyond what's conventionally
>> believed & discussed for solutions.  And always, I believe we should keep an
>> open mind to new ideas.
>> -- 
>> Valerie Wells
>> The Balanced Embouchure Method
>> http://bebabe.wordpress.com/
>> http://www.beforhorn.blogspot.com/
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