Hans,

Either you have misremembered what they taught--physics is not your fach or 
specialty, or they mistaught you. Sound frequency does not change with distance 
from the source. If you are playing a 440 A, you are emitting 440 pulses per 
second. Far away those pulses don't get lost, and there are still 440 per 
second. There are theories that light does get "tired" after billions of years 
in addition to the Doppler effect of the receding galaxies, but we're not in 
that arena.

The effect may indeed be psychological. Timbre does affect the perception of 
pitch. If anything, when you are playing on a hot stage, I would expect you to 
play sharp. So much for theory...

Question: Do the onstage players sound flat to themselves, or is it that they 
sound flat to the audience?

Herb Foster





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From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; The Horn List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 2:48:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] offstage brass

Loss of higher harmonics due to less good acoustic environment, yes, as 
curtains can damp the sound.

But how should this affect the intonation ? 440 remains 440, no matter
what kind of curtain or deco they use on stage.

Higher harmonics have nothing to do with that problem. 

But the distance effects  (lowers) the intonation of a given pitch. We all
learned that in school (classic gymnasium, physics classes) which seem to 
be abandoned in a greater percentage of schools.

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Am 29.05.2011 um 19:47 schrieb Dan Beeker:

> Surely there must be more to it than "because of the distance". Does 
> that mean the listener in the back of the auditorium hears things 
> flatter than the patron in the front row? Loss of higher harmonics due 
> to stage curtains etc. might make it sound flatter (total conjecture on 
> my part). Just curious. Any acoustics people out there have an explanation?
> 
> Dan Beeker
> 
> On 5/29/11 1:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:22:54 +0200
>> From: Hans Pizka<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] offstage brass
>> To: The Horn List<[email protected]>
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>> 
>> Bob, welcome in Germany,
>> 
>> the off stage brass sounds flat to the player on stage because of the 
>> distance. 
>>But it is not much.
>> So the off stage players adjust the main tuning slide a bit, just a bit 
>> (1/4" 
>>perhaps).
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Hans
> 
> -- 
> Dan Beeker
> 
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