> A very sad one, but nothing to do > about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM > without that non-commercial restriction.
HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. cheers, Prabhas On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilac...@gmail.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, Prabhas: > > I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative > database that can be of use in this situation. > > About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a > guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them > while surveying on the ground. > > Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might > be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any > case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do > about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM > without that non-commercial restriction. > > Cheers, > > Rafael. > > On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: > > Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset > > geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was > > incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license > > here in Nepal. > > > > As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps > > that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is > > amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake > > buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the > > ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds > > like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for > > that. > > > > We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, > > it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations > > have been using locally, given that it is the best available > > dataset of health facility locations. > > > > Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve > > OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate > > datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we > > are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of > > the license. > > > > cheers, Prabhas > > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya > > <ravilac...@gmail.com <mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi all: > > > > Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has > > answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and > > she tells me: "we are trying to create papers for the relief > > workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, > > buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for > > the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the > > health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least > > find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the > > map. The data I imported was from > > https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. > > The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and > > we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful > > and you can help us out." > > > > With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were > > discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost > > 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. > > > > I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes > > in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the > > license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it > > incompatible with the OSM license. > > > > I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and > > that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience > > on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the > > data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make > > good use of these data set, if any. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rafael. > > > > On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: > >> When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes > >> tagged as "Hospital" with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA > >> as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is > >> nothing nearby. Like here: > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks > >> like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because > >> hospitals are important! > > > > > >> By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a > >> "task" now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole > >> project? > > > >> _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list > >> HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > > > > > -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com > > twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp > > - -- > Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya > > - -------------------------------- > > Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, > .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. > > Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. > > http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRvhtAAoJEB3niTly2pPQ6rYQAIACG4KEtph2xtxQvywpuEsJ > dJujmsakn1Z2R3Cx6RhbB1cpTtwRB5R08WDeDx6veKh2NjyyoYmBk1gpxam0M8m+ > nZcyixJxn59vMkVHCLh0kKyBBGNnDAPyQC+GBZtPsW04Vd7Zi8qc3rs98CnE3QHP > gHpXfD/xtiMSi/g/Q6MhQ/DNYOQLLyZn9O2F3zg8UWHFTBFcUE544wnOkKmzmoKF > ORyfN5Z3/d8E6GewV48otvl96S1xVikmLqu3AEDDGugU1llBOIpjG1gpF+yIEDtD > Qq5+2iYGqTWoq/k/fVpuORvWaETHYtORzcTjGbul757gwLZYFwJtrgMsnkjf0KiO > flnL3w6Vh5Ysc/imP5P6p76yg5rxRPhuoSdc0H5OJTExH09sZAwrvqOmjULeYTaX > wfltzd8QJmD7WWLSsVnRVNoNXyPkA6EFB0x5zJklAJdELslAZIrV2X0YPB/bbqDT > TJPob34LoicYoXZ0JPt5VbHPYUTZvHq7HJ8bZzaXOrWblPctb4fz7abUHUMEzl/5 > W9KoNx0wJAU1ChJkERV8IxuMwnffwELnw/CUN5p57XJ6PY5vCnuTOPYoScrTwFN4 > lfvwRSoMkDsbcmCPotaXJ+lt2egKAZoqWc9T78qEsOUsf9gB1pF2zfvHmTKBQ500 > 69oFJ/ArvtOAV2hLDBCx > =b93r > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
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