I think a lot of people pick frameworks because key people in communities start backing them with a whole mess of buzz words and not because of what the framework has to offer for what their task is. Half the time I watch more people struggling to figure out one framework over another as if the frameworks hurt them more than ever help them. Usually it is because they are trying to use an over complicated tool for a very simple job so they never see or realize the benefits the frameworks should add to jobs.
One could say so long as you have some sort of pattern to your coding then you have a framework right there. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Billy Cravens <[email protected]> wrote: > There's a lot to be said for the statement that you always have a > framework; many just roll their own. The benefit of one of the better known > ones (ColdBox, Fusebox, Mach ii, Model Glue, etc.. just thinking MVC > here...) as opposed to your own is an immediate context and established body > of knowledge. > > Billy Cravens > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Aaron Rouse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sounds like my description of MG where I say it is just too "verbose". >> The last MG site I did, which was for another developer who lacked time to >> do it but requested MG, has dreaded their choice of it ever since. They >> really have not given specific reasons to me and I know are >> very familiar with MVC but plan to slowly strip the framework out and I >> think just not even have one. Now their site is a very small e-commerce >> website so having no framework at all I highly doubt is any sort of crutch >> to them. >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mark Davis <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> We have previously been a heavy Model-Glue and ColdSpring shop. We >>> have explored Coldbox some and I really like what I saw. >>> >>> To me, MG takes too much configuring and is not the most intuitive >>> framework. Any framework is going to be difficult if you aren't familiar >>> with MVC because thats what most rely on. >>> >>> Coldbox plays up their advantage as "convention vs configuration". IN >>> MG, you configure the parts of app via XML. Coldbox is more like Fusebox >>> in that parts are in folders where you'd expect based on convention. >>> >>> Haven't written a major app in Coldbox yet, but my next big app will be. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Billy Cravens [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 1:31 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* [SPAM] Re: [houcfug] FW: Discount for User Groups: ColdBox >>> Book - AUG - Announce - Adobe User Group - Announce >>> >>> Fooey. I bought it the day it came out. No discount for me :-| (Don't >>> have it yet; CreateSpace's shipping options are a bit slow/pricey, though >>> you can get a Kindle version.) >>> >>> I think ColdBox is very well thought out, and does a lot for you, and >>> easily plugs into other framework/methodologies well. You do, however, have >>> to spend some serious up-front time wrapping your head around it, especially >>> if you're not experienced in MVC. Some of the other frameworks seems easier >>> to follow to me, but they don't seem to have CB's featureset - if you're >>> used to just jumping in and writing code, CB's DI/caching/security/etc will >>> leave you scratching your head alot at first. >>> >>> Billy Cravens >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Seth Bienek <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Luiz Majano would like to share a discount code with all ColdFusion user >>>> groups for his new book: The Definitive Guide to the Coldbox Platform. >>>> >>>> The code is 58M36URE and you can purchase it here: >>>> https://www.createspace.com/3411525 >>>> >>>> The code is for 15% discount on the book for user groups. The cool thing >>>> is >>>> that the book is more about building sustainable ColdFusion >>>> applications. >>>> >>>> Learn More: >>>> ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org >>>> Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/3/731/483 >>>> Blog: http://www.luismajano.com >>>> IECFUG Manager: http://www.iecfug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On a related note... Anyone here using Coldbox? Likes/dislikes? >>>> >>>> Take Care, >>>> >>>> Seth >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >>>> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >>>> To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] >>>> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >>> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >>> To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] >>> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >>> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >>> To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] >>> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Aaron Rouse >> http://www.happyhacker.com/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston >> ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. >> To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] >> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston > ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. > To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en > -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. 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