This idea is related heavily with a project I am percolating between all the
other things that I am doing. Namely, a way of setting up some kind of
autotools-esque deployment of podcasts.
I've been bolstering my knowledge of XML/XSL over the last few weeks, but if
anyone wants to work on it as well the idea is:
1. An XML based template for a show, something like:
<show>
<intro class="music">
<file>/path/to/intro/music</file>
</intro>
<section class="main">
<file>/path/to/main/section</file>
</section>
<effect>
<type>ladspa</type>
<file>/path/to/plugin</type>
<start>&start;</start>
<end>&end;</end>
</effect>
</show>
2. A makefile template to ingest that xml into ffmpeg or some other application
to apply those edits to that audio non-destructively
3. A configure shell script that would allow you to modify the makefile, or the
XML via xslt, to remove certain sections or to export the edited show as a
specified format.
4. Something like a `make publish` trigger that could automatically upload a
target to the distribution server and update the atom feed accordingly.
The idea behind this was that it would allow people to examine the raw,
preferably unedited, files and effects that went into making the podcasts they
like in order to give them the inspiration/example to follow to make their own
podcast. It also has the upshot of being able to quickly spin up bespoke feeds
for various needs and allowing listeners to "compile" the show themselves, if
they have special requirements.
As I said, I am trying to work on it every now and then, when I have time, but
I don't have a lot of time and am very new to XML/XSL as well as not as well
versed in FFmpeg as I would certainly like to be, so if anyone sees this idea
and thinks it would be easy for them to implement, I wholeheartedly encourage
it.
V/r,
Izzy Leibowitz
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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:40:04 +1300
> From: Klaatu <kla...@mixedsignals.ml>
> To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org, k...@fallon.ie
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Possible cause and solution to subscriber
> attrition(trying again without encryption)
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> Interestingly, my own podcast, GNU World Order, has gotten a few emails from
> people over the years who say they fall asleep to podcasts, as well.
>
> Many people identify strongly with the "brand" of a podcast by its intro and
> outro music. However, other people find the almost subliminal chatter about
> tech soothing and relaxing.
>
> We could consider releasing a special feed without music, but that would not
> guarantee a relaxing listen. An HPR host might add loud sound effects or
> music, or shout, or whatever, to their show independent of the intro and outro
> music.
>
> I've been looking into ways of doing a no-music feed for my own show, but so
> far everything requires a bunch of extra steps that I'm not willing to do
> myself. The reason I'm able to release a show so often is that most of the
> posting process is automated, so I can afford no extra steps.
>
> I believe the same is true for HPR.
>
> Point is, this is something to consider, and if I come up with an brilliant
> ideas for separating music from voice in an easy way, I'll let the admins
> know.
>
> -klaatu
>
> On Monday, 18 October 2021 5:49:55 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote:
>> Hi anarch0re
>>
>> Thanks for getting in touch. I replied to the list but you can feel free
>> to reply to me directly.
>>
>> See my comments inline.
>>
>> On 2021-10-16 23:39:05, anarchore via Hpr wrote:
>> > Hi;
>> >
>> > There was a community news show about a month ago during which the
>> > producers remarked that there was a plateau in subscribers.
>> >
>> > I have a suggestion that may improve this attrition rate... I and I'm
>> > sure a lot of others listen to podcasts to wind down while going to sleep.
>>
>> Ouch ! The community news is putting you to sleep. That hurts !
>>
>> Joking aside I doubt that most people use HPR to go to sleep. The
>> variety of shows on HPR is so different you would want to be on your
>> guard when listening. For example I will only listen to a Dave Morriss
>> or tuturto show if I'm wide awake - focused - and at a computer with
>> access to the shownotes. I'll only listen to klaatus shows if I have a
>> cup of coffee beside me.
>>
>> The purpose of HPR is not to put people to sleep, it's to get them up,
>> thinking, hacking, & recording shows with a goal of Sharing Knowledge !
>>
>> > The intro song is loud, low bitrate sounding trumpet chiptune fanfare,
>> > which is fine. The thing is, the shows are often recorded at a low
>> > volume level so the volume must be adjusted upward to hear them... then
>> > after being soothed by a soft spoken hacker voice, the blaring, loud
>> > chiptunes are blasted again at the end of the show.
>>
>> Fair point and you're not the only one that mentioned this.
>>
>> We have several volunteers who will help us clean up the audio and help
>> the host improve their setup. We will on occasion farm the poor audio
>> out to auphonic.com to see if they can fix it.
>>
>> However you don't mention which show in particular you are having a
>> problem with. Or do you feel that this is a problem with all of them ?
>>
>> Not knowing what shows are having issues we can't tell if it's a issue
>> with the source audio, the processing or the transcoding.
>>
>> If it's the Community News show then we can do something about it as it
>> is directly under my control as I am the one producing it. I will ensure
>> that the intro and outro of next months one is added and leveled
>> manually. I would like you to give your feedback on the efforts afterwards.
>>
>> If it's another show then can you get in touch with me directly so that
>> we can see if we can address the issue.
>>
>> If you do feel that the audio is poor, there is something that you can
>> do to help the project out and that is to report it to us *before* it
>> hits the main feed.
>>
>> There is no need for any audiophile to suffer in silence. Just subscribe
>> to the Future Feed and provide admin@hpr with feedback on the shows
>> audio. If there are issues there we can try and fix them before it hits
>> the main feed.
>>
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php
>>
>> > This has woken me up from sleep many times. I can only imagine the
>> > consternation from headphone users.
>> >
>> > I'm sure this has led to many rage-unsubscriptions by those less level
>> > headed than I.
>>
>> I doubt that. The audio on HPR has been consistently variable since it's
>> inception. We should be seeing a consistent rate of rage-unsubscriptions
>> as well. The dip beg
>>
>> I imagine most people skip the outro entirely.
>>
>> > There is a much more mellow sounding intro that is the same tune at a
>> > lower volume, that is used sometimes. If there must be an outro song,
>>
>> Yes there must be as we need to provide feedback on how you can
>> contribute a show to the project. http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php.
>>
>> > this should be it, and the loud blaring fanfare tune should be only used
>> > at the beginning.
>>
>> There are several intros and outros available, which one are your
>> referring to and I'll put it in ?
>>
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music/
>>
>> As your use case is (I feel at least) pretty unique, I'd love you do
>> record a show telling us all about it. Don't forget to introducing
>> yourself, and tell us of your journey to HPR.
>>
>> Feel under absolutely zero pressure to send in a show. I mean it would
>> be great if you could as we are running low on shows in the queue, and
>> have a call for shows open. But as I say don't let the fact that every
>> single HPR show you are using to go to sleep to has been contributed by
>> someone very much like yourself who rather than just consumed content,
>> took the brave step to themselves become a - let me say - hero of sorts.
>> If you *do* decide to contribute, it's easy just nip over to
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php for more information.
>>
>> Hope to _hear_ from you soon ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
>> http://kenfallon.com
>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:17:22 +0100
> From: Andrew Conway <nal...@gmail.com>
> To: Klaatu <kla...@mixedsignals.ml>
> Cc: HPR Hacker Public Radio Mailing List <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org>,
> Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie>
> Subject: Re: [Hpr] Possible cause and solution to subscriber
> attrition(trying again without encryption)
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> I am a nocturnal podcast listener mainly because it's the only time I have
> to listen properly. I cannot work, code, write or even exercise and listen
> to speech properly. Also my daytime podcast bandwidth went down drastically
> when my daily commute ended some years ago. (I imagine that's become much
> more common for people in the last year or so.) This means that music that
> might wake me up puts me off listening to particular podcasts and so the
> HPR theme is a problem for me, but not so much that I would ever
> unsubscribe. (To be honest unsubscribing from HPR sounds like a euphemism,
> like "shuffling off this mortal coil" :)).
>
> If a musicless feed existed, as klaatu suggests, or a more gentle version
> of the theme was the outro's default, I would definitely listen to more HPR
> shows. That said, I wouldn't want to create more work for folk if I am only
> part of a small minority.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 18:41 Klaatu, <kla...@mixedsignals.ml> wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, my own podcast, GNU World Order, has gotten a few emails
>> from
>> people over the years who say they fall asleep to podcasts, as well.
>>
>> Many people identify strongly with the "brand" of a podcast by its intro
>> and
>> outro music. However, other people find the almost subliminal chatter
>> about
>> tech soothing and relaxing.
>>
>> We could consider releasing a special feed without music, but that would
>> not
>> guarantee a relaxing listen. An HPR host might add loud sound effects or
>> music, or shout, or whatever, to their show independent of the intro and
>> outro
>> music.
>>
>> I've been looking into ways of doing a no-music feed for my own show, but
>> so
>> far everything requires a bunch of extra steps that I'm not willing to do
>> myself. The reason I'm able to release a show so often is that most of the
>> posting process is automated, so I can afford no extra steps.
>>
>> I believe the same is true for HPR.
>>
>> Point is, this is something to consider, and if I come up with an
>> brilliant
>> ideas for separating music from voice in an easy way, I'll let the admins
>> know.
>>
>> -klaatu
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 18 October 2021 5:49:55 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote:
>> > Hi anarch0re
>> >
>> > Thanks for getting in touch. I replied to the list but you can feel free
>> > to reply to me directly.
>> >
>> > See my comments inline.
>> >
>> > On 2021-10-16 23:39:05, anarchore via Hpr wrote:
>> > > Hi;
>> > >
>> > > There was a community news show about a month ago during which the
>> > > producers remarked that there was a plateau in subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > I have a suggestion that may improve this attrition rate... I and I'm
>> > > sure a lot of others listen to podcasts to wind down while going to
>> sleep.
>> >
>> > Ouch ! The community news is putting you to sleep. That hurts !
>> >
>> > Joking aside I doubt that most people use HPR to go to sleep. The
>> > variety of shows on HPR is so different you would want to be on your
>> > guard when listening. For example I will only listen to a Dave Morriss
>> > or tuturto show if I'm wide awake - focused - and at a computer with
>> > access to the shownotes. I'll only listen to klaatus shows if I have a
>> > cup of coffee beside me.
>> >
>> > The purpose of HPR is not to put people to sleep, it's to get them up,
>> > thinking, hacking, & recording shows with a goal of Sharing Knowledge !
>> >
>> > > The intro song is loud, low bitrate sounding trumpet chiptune fanfare,
>> > > which is fine. The thing is, the shows are often recorded at a low
>> > > volume level so the volume must be adjusted upward to hear them... then
>> > > after being soothed by a soft spoken hacker voice, the blaring, loud
>> > > chiptunes are blasted again at the end of the show.
>> >
>> > Fair point and you're not the only one that mentioned this.
>> >
>> > We have several volunteers who will help us clean up the audio and help
>> > the host improve their setup. We will on occasion farm the poor audio
>> > out to auphonic.com to see if they can fix it.
>> >
>> > However you don't mention which show in particular you are having a
>> > problem with. Or do you feel that this is a problem with all of them ?
>> >
>> > Not knowing what shows are having issues we can't tell if it's a issue
>> > with the source audio, the processing or the transcoding.
>> >
>> > If it's the Community News show then we can do something about it as it
>> > is directly under my control as I am the one producing it. I will ensure
>> > that the intro and outro of next months one is added and leveled
>> > manually. I would like you to give your feedback on the efforts
>> afterwards.
>> >
>> > If it's another show then can you get in touch with me directly so that
>> > we can see if we can address the issue.
>> >
>> > If you do feel that the audio is poor, there is something that you can
>> > do to help the project out and that is to report it to us *before* it
>> > hits the main feed.
>> >
>> > There is no need for any audiophile to suffer in silence. Just subscribe
>> > to the Future Feed and provide admin@hpr with feedback on the shows
>> > audio. If there are issues there we can try and fix them before it hits
>> > the main feed.
>> >
>> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php
>> >
>> > > This has woken me up from sleep many times. I can only imagine the
>> > > consternation from headphone users.
>> > >
>> > > I'm sure this has led to many rage-unsubscriptions by those less level
>> > > headed than I.
>> >
>> > I doubt that. The audio on HPR has been consistently variable since it's
>> > inception. We should be seeing a consistent rate of rage-unsubscriptions
>> > as well. The dip beg
>> >
>> > I imagine most people skip the outro entirely.
>> >
>> > > There is a much more mellow sounding intro that is the same tune at a
>> > > lower volume, that is used sometimes. If there must be an outro song,
>> >
>> > Yes there must be as we need to provide feedback on how you can
>> > contribute a show to the project. http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
>> .
>> >
>> > > this should be it, and the loud blaring fanfare tune should be only
>> used
>> > > at the beginning.
>> >
>> > There are several intros and outros available, which one are your
>> > referring to and I'll put it in ?
>> >
>> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music/
>> >
>> > As your use case is (I feel at least) pretty unique, I'd love you do
>> > record a show telling us all about it. Don't forget to introducing
>> > yourself, and tell us of your journey to HPR.
>> >
>> > Feel under absolutely zero pressure to send in a show. I mean it would
>> > be great if you could as we are running low on shows in the queue, and
>> > have a call for shows open. But as I say don't let the fact that every
>> > single HPR show you are using to go to sleep to has been contributed by
>> > someone very much like yourself who rather than just consumed content,
>> > took the brave step to themselves become a - let me say - hero of sorts.
>> > If you *do* decide to contribute, it's easy just nip over to
>> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php for more information.
>> >
>> > Hope to _hear_ from you soon ;-)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
>> > http://kenfallon.com
>> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
>> >
>> >
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