This idea is related heavily with a project I am percolating between all
the other things that I am doing. Namely, a way of setting up some kind
of autotools-esque deployment of podcasts.
I've been bolstering my knowledge of XML/XSL over the last few weeks,
but if anyone wants to work on it as well the idea is:
1. An XML based template for a show, something like:
<show>
<intro class="music">
<file>/path/to/intro/music</file>
</intro>
<section class="main">
<file>/path/to/main/section</file>
</section>
<effect>
<type>ladspa</type>
<file>/path/to/plugin</type>
<start>&start;</start>
<end>&end;</end>
</effect>
</show>
2. A makefile template to ingest that xml into ffmpeg or some other
application to apply those edits to that audio non-destructively
3. A configure shell script that would allow you to modify the makefile,
or the XML via xslt, to remove certain sections or to export the edited
show as a specified format.
4. Something like a `make publish` trigger that could automatically
upload a target to the distribution server and update the atom feed
accordingly.
The idea behind this was that it would allow people to examine the raw,
preferably unedited, files and effects that went into making the
podcasts they like in order to give them the inspiration/example to
follow to make their own podcast. It also has the upshot of being able
to quickly spin up bespoke feeds for various needs and allowing
listeners to "compile" the show themselves, if they have special
requirements.
As I said, I am trying to work on it every now and then, when I have
time, but I don't have a lot of time and am very new to XML/XSL as well
as not as well versed in FFmpeg as I would certainly like to be, so if
anyone sees this idea and thinks it would be easy for them to implement,
I wholeheartedly encourage it.
V/r,
Izzy Leibowitz
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:40:04 +1300
From: Klaatu <kla...@mixedsignals.ml>
To: hpr@hackerpublicradio.org, k...@fallon.ie
Subject: Re: [Hpr] Possible cause and solution to subscriber
attrition(trying again without encryption)
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Interestingly, my own podcast, GNU World Order, has gotten a few
emails from
people over the years who say they fall asleep to podcasts, as well.
Many people identify strongly with the "brand" of a podcast by its
intro and
outro music. However, other people find the almost subliminal
chatter about
tech soothing and relaxing.
We could consider releasing a special feed without music, but that
would not
guarantee a relaxing listen. An HPR host might add loud sound effects or
music, or shout, or whatever, to their show independent of the intro
and outro
music.
I've been looking into ways of doing a no-music feed for my own
show, but so
far everything requires a bunch of extra steps that I'm not willing
to do
myself. The reason I'm able to release a show so often is that most
of the
posting process is automated, so I can afford no extra steps.
I believe the same is true for HPR.
Point is, this is something to consider, and if I come up with an
brilliant
ideas for separating music from voice in an easy way, I'll let the
admins
know.
-klaatu
On Monday, 18 October 2021 5:49:55 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote:
> Hi anarch0re
>
> Thanks for getting in touch. I replied to the list but you can
feel free
> to reply to me directly.
>
> See my comments inline.
>
> On 2021-10-16 23:39:05, anarchore via Hpr wrote:
> > Hi;
> >
> > There was a community news show about a month ago during which the
> > producers remarked that there was a plateau in subscribers.
> >
> > I have a suggestion that may improve this attrition rate... I
and I'm
> > sure a lot of others listen to podcasts to wind down while
going to sleep.
>
> Ouch ! The community news is putting you to sleep. That hurts !
>
> Joking aside I doubt that most people use HPR to go to sleep. The
> variety of shows on HPR is so different you would want to be on your
> guard when listening. For example I will only listen to a Dave
Morriss
> or tuturto show if I'm wide awake - focused - and at a computer with
> access to the shownotes. I'll only listen to klaatus shows if I
have a
> cup of coffee beside me.
>
> The purpose of HPR is not to put people to sleep, it's to get
them up,
> thinking, hacking, & recording shows with a goal of Sharing
Knowledge !
>
> > The intro song is loud, low bitrate sounding trumpet chiptune
fanfare,
> > which is fine. The thing is, the shows are often recorded at a low
> > volume level so the volume must be adjusted upward to hear
them... then
> > after being soothed by a soft spoken hacker voice, the blaring,
loud
> > chiptunes are blasted again at the end of the show.
>
> Fair point and you're not the only one that mentioned this.
>
> We have several volunteers who will help us clean up the audio
and help
> the host improve their setup. We will on occasion farm the poor audio
> out to auphonic.com <http://auphonic.com> to see if they can fix it.
>
> However you don't mention which show in particular you are having a
> problem with. Or do you feel that this is a problem with all of
them ?
>
> Not knowing what shows are having issues we can't tell if it's a
issue
> with the source audio, the processing or the transcoding.
>
> If it's the Community News show then we can do something about it
as it
> is directly under my control as I am the one producing it. I will
ensure
> that the intro and outro of next months one is added and leveled
> manually. I would like you to give your feedback on the efforts
afterwards.
>
> If it's another show then can you get in touch with me directly
so that
> we can see if we can address the issue.
>
> If you do feel that the audio is poor, there is something that
you can
> do to help the project out and that is to report it to us *before* it
> hits the main feed.
>
> There is no need for any audiophile to suffer in silence. Just
subscribe
> to the Future Feed and provide admin@hpr with feedback on the shows
> audio. If there are issues there we can try and fix them before
it hits
> the main feed.
>
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php>
>
> > This has woken me up from sleep many times. I can only imagine the
> > consternation from headphone users.
> >
> > I'm sure this has led to many rage-unsubscriptions by those
less level
> > headed than I.
>
> I doubt that. The audio on HPR has been consistently variable
since it's
> inception. We should be seeing a consistent rate of
rage-unsubscriptions
> as well. The dip beg
>
> I imagine most people skip the outro entirely.
>
> > There is a much more mellow sounding intro that is the same
tune at a
> > lower volume, that is used sometimes. If there must be an outro
song,
>
> Yes there must be as we need to provide feedback on how you can
> contribute a show to the project.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php>.
>
> > this should be it, and the loud blaring fanfare tune should be
only used
> > at the beginning.
>
> There are several intros and outros available, which one are your
> referring to and I'll put it in ?
>
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music>/
>
> As your use case is (I feel at least) pretty unique, I'd love you do
> record a show telling us all about it. Don't forget to introducing
> yourself, and tell us of your journey to HPR.
>
> Feel under absolutely zero pressure to send in a show. I mean it
would
> be great if you could as we are running low on shows in the
queue, and
> have a call for shows open. But as I say don't let the fact that
every
> single HPR show you are using to go to sleep to has been
contributed by
> someone very much like yourself who rather than just consumed
content,
> took the brave step to themselves become a - let me say - hero of
sorts.
> If you *do* decide to contribute, it's easy just nip over to
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php> for more information.
>
> Hope to _hear_ from you soon ;-)
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> http://kenfallon.com <http://kenfallon.com>
> http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:17:22 +0100
From: Andrew Conway <nal...@gmail.com>
To: Klaatu <kla...@mixedsignals.ml>
Cc: HPR Hacker Public Radio Mailing List <hpr@hackerpublicradio.org>,
Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie>
Subject: Re: [Hpr] Possible cause and solution to subscriber
attrition(trying again without encryption)
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I am a nocturnal podcast listener mainly because it's the only time
I have
to listen properly. I cannot work, code, write or even exercise and
listen
to speech properly. Also my daytime podcast bandwidth went down
drastically
when my daily commute ended some years ago. (I imagine that's become
much
more common for people in the last year or so.) This means that
music that
might wake me up puts me off listening to particular podcasts and so the
HPR theme is a problem for me, but not so much that I would ever
unsubscribe. (To be honest unsubscribing from HPR sounds like a
euphemism,
like "shuffling off this mortal coil" :)).
If a musicless feed existed, as klaatu suggests, or a more gentle
version
of the theme was the outro's default, I would definitely listen to
more HPR
shows. That said, I wouldn't want to create more work for folk if I
am only
part of a small minority.
Andrew
On Sun, 17 Oct 2021, 18:41 Klaatu, <kla...@mixedsignals.ml> wrote:
> Interestingly, my own podcast, GNU World Order, has gotten a few
emails
> from
> people over the years who say they fall asleep to podcasts, as well.
>
> Many people identify strongly with the "brand" of a podcast by
its intro
> and
> outro music. However, other people find the almost subliminal chatter
> about
> tech soothing and relaxing.
>
> We could consider releasing a special feed without music, but
that would
> not
> guarantee a relaxing listen. An HPR host might add loud sound
effects or
> music, or shout, or whatever, to their show independent of the
intro and
> outro
> music.
>
> I've been looking into ways of doing a no-music feed for my own
show, but
> so
> far everything requires a bunch of extra steps that I'm not
willing to do
> myself. The reason I'm able to release a show so often is that
most of the
> posting process is automated, so I can afford no extra steps.
>
> I believe the same is true for HPR.
>
> Point is, this is something to consider, and if I come up with an
> brilliant
> ideas for separating music from voice in an easy way, I'll let
the admins
> know.
>
> -klaatu
>
>
> On Monday, 18 October 2021 5:49:55 AM NZDT Ken Fallon wrote:
> > Hi anarch0re
> >
> > Thanks for getting in touch. I replied to the list but you can
feel free
> > to reply to me directly.
> >
> > See my comments inline.
> >
> > On 2021-10-16 23:39:05, anarchore via Hpr wrote:
> > > Hi;
> > >
> > > There was a community news show about a month ago during
which the
> > > producers remarked that there was a plateau in subscribers.
> > >
> > > I have a suggestion that may improve this attrition rate... I
and I'm
> > > sure a lot of others listen to podcasts to wind down while
going to
> sleep.
> >
> > Ouch ! The community news is putting you to sleep. That hurts !
> >
> > Joking aside I doubt that most people use HPR to go to sleep. The
> > variety of shows on HPR is so different you would want to be on
your
> > guard when listening. For example I will only listen to a Dave
Morriss
> > or tuturto show if I'm wide awake - focused - and at a computer
with
> > access to the shownotes. I'll only listen to klaatus shows if I
have a
> > cup of coffee beside me.
> >
> > The purpose of HPR is not to put people to sleep, it's to get
them up,
> > thinking, hacking, & recording shows with a goal of Sharing
Knowledge !
> >
> > > The intro song is loud, low bitrate sounding trumpet chiptune
fanfare,
> > > which is fine. The thing is, the shows are often recorded at
a low
> > > volume level so the volume must be adjusted upward to hear
them... then
> > > after being soothed by a soft spoken hacker voice, the
blaring, loud
> > > chiptunes are blasted again at the end of the show.
> >
> > Fair point and you're not the only one that mentioned this.
> >
> > We have several volunteers who will help us clean up the audio
and help
> > the host improve their setup. We will on occasion farm the poor
audio
> > out to auphonic.com <http://auphonic.com> to see if they can
fix it.
> >
> > However you don't mention which show in particular you are having a
> > problem with. Or do you feel that this is a problem with all of
them ?
> >
> > Not knowing what shows are having issues we can't tell if it's
a issue
> > with the source audio, the processing or the transcoding.
> >
> > If it's the Community News show then we can do something about
it as it
> > is directly under my control as I am the one producing it. I
will ensure
> > that the intro and outro of next months one is added and leveled
> > manually. I would like you to give your feedback on the efforts
> afterwards.
> >
> > If it's another show then can you get in touch with me directly
so that
> > we can see if we can address the issue.
> >
> > If you do feel that the audio is poor, there is something that
you can
> > do to help the project out and that is to report it to us
*before* it
> > hits the main feed.
> >
> > There is no need for any audiophile to suffer in silence. Just
subscribe
> > to the Future Feed and provide admin@hpr with feedback on the shows
> > audio. If there are issues there we can try and fix them before
it hits
> > the main feed.
> >
> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.php>
> >
> > > This has woken me up from sleep many times. I can only
imagine the
> > > consternation from headphone users.
> > >
> > > I'm sure this has led to many rage-unsubscriptions by those
less level
> > > headed than I.
> >
> > I doubt that. The audio on HPR has been consistently variable
since it's
> > inception. We should be seeing a consistent rate of
rage-unsubscriptions
> > as well. The dip beg
> >
> > I imagine most people skip the outro entirely.
> >
> > > There is a much more mellow sounding intro that is the same
tune at a
> > > lower volume, that is used sometimes. If there must be an
outro song,
> >
> > Yes there must be as we need to provide feedback on how you can
> > contribute a show to the project.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/theme.php>
> .
> >
> > > this should be it, and the loud blaring fanfare tune should
be only
> used
> > > at the beginning.
> >
> > There are several intros and outros available, which one are your
> > referring to and I'll put it in ?
> >
> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/media/theme-music>/
> >
> > As your use case is (I feel at least) pretty unique, I'd love
you do
> > record a show telling us all about it. Don't forget to introducing
> > yourself, and tell us of your journey to HPR.
> >
> > Feel under absolutely zero pressure to send in a show. I mean
it would
> > be great if you could as we are running low on shows in the
queue, and
> > have a call for shows open. But as I say don't let the fact
that every
> > single HPR show you are using to go to sleep to has been
contributed by
> > someone very much like yourself who rather than just consumed
content,
> > took the brave step to themselves become a - let me say - hero
of sorts.
> > If you *do* decide to contribute, it's easy just nip over to
> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/calendar.php> for more information.
> >
> > Hope to _hear_ from you soon ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
> > http://kenfallon.com <http://kenfallon.com>
> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30>
> >
> >
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