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An Open Letter to any Christian Wife or Fianceà Who Thinks Its Okay to Talk
Down To Her Own Man, To Talk Disrespectfully To and/or About Him, To Belittle
Him, Criticize Him or Talk About Him As If He Were Inferior to You.

Copyright  4/13/â04
This is for unedited and unchanged distribution on the net and www.
 by R. Tyler,
P.O.Box 620763, San Diego, CA 92162-0763;
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PART TWO OF TWO

We know that Jesus will purposefully put ungodly and evil rulers over peoples
and nations.
***Da 4:17 This sentence is by the decree of the watchers, and the decision
by the word of the holy ones: that the living may know that the Most High
ruleth over the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up
over it the basest of men.

In a time of horrible, cruel and immoral rulers of Rome and Israel, the Spirit's Word, through those who were executed by those rulers, to us about those rulers was, and is ------
***Rom 13:  1 Â Let every individual be obedient to those who rule over him;
for no one is a ruler except by Godâs permission, and our present rulers have
had their rank and power assigned to them by Him. 2* Therefore the man who
rebels against his ruler is resisting Godâs will; and those who thus resist will
bring punishment upon themselves. . . . 4* For he is Godâs servant for your
benefit. But if you do what is wrong, be afraid. He does not wear the sword to
no purpose: he is Godâs servant--an administrator to inflict punishment upon
evil-doers. 5* We must obey therefore, not only in order to escape punishment,
but also for conscienceâ sake.
***1Peter 2:13* Â Submit to all human institutions for the Lordâs sake, alike
to the emperor as the supreme authority, 14 and to governors as the men sent
by him to punish evil-doers and to commend those who do right. 15 For Godâs
will is this--that you should silence the ignorance of foolish people by doing
what is right. 16 Act as free men, yet not using your freedom as those do who
make it a cloak for wickedness, but as Servants of God. 17* Show honour to
every one, Love the Brotherhood, ârevere God, honour the emperor.â TCNT

>:-[        There is not one Word in Scripture that supports the ungodly
teaching that husbands must first earn their wive's respect before the wife
respects them. Clearly the Word above shows that we believers in general are to
submit ourselves to the authorities God has placed over us, whether or not they
are godly or deserve respect.  When a cop pulls me over to ticket me, I
cooperate whether or not he is an adulterer, homosexual, selfish or self centered. 
When a judge is presiding over me, I cooperate whether or not he is an
adulterer, homosexual, selfish or self centered. When my boss is talking to me and/or
exercising authority over me, I cooperate whether or not he is an adulterer,
homosexual, selfish or self centered.  I do so in obedience to Rom 13 and 1
Peter 2:13-17.  Even so a wife is instructed to submit herself to her husband,
whether or not he deserves it in her eyes, out of obedience to the Lord who
placed her husband as authority over her.

=:-|     <:-|    God has not given husbands the rule over their wives to be
masters over their own wives,  to exercise their authority over their wives,
which they are forbidden to do (Luke 22: 25-27; 1 Peter 5: 1 -3).  Yet God has
given husbands the rule over their wives to lead and teach them, so the Word to
the wives is -----
***PARAPHRASED FOR APPLICATION Rom 13:  1 Â Let every individual [wife] be
obedient to the [husband] who rules over her; for no [husband] is a ruler except
by Godâs permission, and her present ruling [husband] has had his rank and
power assigned to him as [husband] by Him who is Lord. 2* Therefore the [wife]
who rebels against her ruler is resisting Godâs will; and the [wife] who thus
resists will bring punishment upon herself. . . . 4* For her [husband] is Godâs
servant for her benefit. But if [the wife] does what is wrong, [she should]
be afraid. He does not bear the Word-Sword to no purpose: he is Godâs
servant--an administrator to inflict church discipline/punishment upon evil-doers. 5*
We must obey therefore, not only in order to escape church
discipline/punishment, but also for conscienceâ sake.

 =:-|     <:-|       Since a Jesus believing wife submits herself to her husband in loving obedience to Her King Jesus, obeying her husband for Jesus sake, if her husband tells her to disobey her King Jesus, who is over both her and her husband, she must respectfully disobey her husband in order to obey Her King Jesus.
***Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to
obey God rather than men.
***Eze 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols:

'?'  ~?~    What does a husband do if his wife refuses to submit herself to him in everything? When a Jesus believing wife refuses to submit her own self to her Jesus believing husband in everything as unto the Lord, her husband is instructed to do the following:
*** 2 Tm 2:24* and a bondservant of the Lord must not quarrel, but must be
inoffensive towards all men, a skilful teacher, and patient under wrongs. 25* He
must speak in a gentle tone when correcting the errors of opponents, in the
hope that God will at last give them repentance, for them to come to a full
knowledge of the truth 26 and recover sober-mindedness and freedom from the
Devilâs snare, though they are now entrapped by him to do his will.
***Gal 6:1* Â Brethren, if even a man be taken in some fault, ye who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest *thou* also be tempted.

=<:-(    [<:-(]   [:-(      If that doesn't work and the Jesus believing wife still refuses to submit herself to her own husband in everything, then he is instructed to do the following:
Mat 18:15* Â âIf your brother acts wrongly towards you, go and point out his
fault to him when only you and he are there. If he listens to you, you have
gained your brother. 16 But if he will not listen to you, go again, and ask one
or two to go with you, that every word spoken may be attested by two or three
witnesses. 17* If he refuses to hear them, appeal to the Church; and if he
refuses to hear even the Church, regard him just as you regard a Gentile or a
tax-gatherer. WEY

=<:-(    [<:-(]     [:-(    If that doesn't work and his Jesus believing wife
still refuses to submit herself to her own husband in everything, He may not
leave, divorce or abandon her ---
***1 Cor 7:11 . . . . . a man is not to divorce his wife. . . . 39* Â A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives; but, if the husband should pass to his rest, the widow is free to marry any one she wishes, provided he is a believer.
***Mark 10:11* And he says to them, Whosoever shall put away his wife and
shall marry another, commits adultery against her.

-------but he is instructed to âstand aloof fromâ her, to not even eat with
her, to âhold no communication withâ her other than to warn and caution her, 
because of her rebellion against God, her continuing in sin:
***2 Thes 3:6* Â But, by the authority of the Lord, we command you, brethren,
to stand aloof from every brother whose life is disorderly and not in
accordance with the teaching which all received from us. . . . 13 But you, brethren,
must not grow weary in the path of duty; 14* and if any one refuses to obey
these our written instructions, mark that man and hold no communication with
him--so that he may be made to feel ashamed. 15 And yet do not regard him as an
enemy, but caution him as a brother.WEY
***1 Cor 5:3* I for my part, present with you in spirit although absent in
body, have already, as though I were present, judged him who has so acted. 4* In
the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are all assembled and my spirit is with
you, together with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5* I have handed over such a
man to Satan for the destruction of his body, that his spirit may be saved on
the day of the Lord Jesus. . . .  11* But what I meant was that you were not to
associate with any one bearing the name of âbrother,â if he was addicted to
fornication or avarice or idol-worship or abusive language or hard-drinking or
greed of gain. With such a man you ought not even to eat.
***Rom 13:  1 Â Let every individual be obedient to those who rule over him;
for no one is a ruler except by Godâs permission, and our present rulers have
had their rank and power assigned to them by Him. 2* Therefore the man who
rebels against his ruler is resisting Godâs will; and those who thus resist will
bring punishment upon themselves.
***1Cor 11:30* That is why many among you are weak and ill, and why some are
sleeping in death. 31 If, however, we estimated ourselves aright, we should
not be judged. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, chastisement follows, to
save us from being condemned along with the world.
***Heb 12: 5* and you have forgotten the encouraging words which are
addressed to you as Godâs Children--âMy child, think not lightly of the Lordâs
discipline, do not despond when he rebukes you; 6 for it is him whom he loves that
he disciplines, and he chastises every child whom he acknowledges.â 7 It is for
your discipline that you have to endure all this. God is dealing with you as
his Children. For where is there a child whom his father does not discipline? 8
 If you are left without that discipline, in which all children share, it shows that you are bastards, and not true Children. 9* Further, when our earthly fathers disciplined us, we respected them. Shall we not, then, much rather yield submission to the Father of souls, and live? 10 Our fathers disciplined us for only a short time and as seemed best to them; but God disciplines us for our true good, to enable us to share his holiness. 11 No discipline is pleasant at the time; on the contrary, it is painful. But afterwards its fruit is seen in the peacefulness of a righteous life which is the lot of those who have
been trained under it.

The purpose of this chastening and church discipline is to bring the erring
mate to genuine repentance in godly sorrow which leads to reconciliation.
***2 Cor 7:9 Now I rejoice, not in your grief, but because the grief led to
repentance; for you sorrowed with a godly sorrow, which prevented you from
receiving injury from us in any respect. 10* For godly sorrow produces repentance
leading to salvation, a repentance not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the
world finally produces death. 11 For mark the effects of this very thing--your
having sorrowed with a godly sorrow--what earnestness it has called forth in
you, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what
longing affection, what jealousy, what meting out of justice! You have
completely wiped away reproach from yourselves in the matter.  WEY
***2 Cor 2:5* Â Now if any one has caused sorrow, it has been caused not so
much to me, as in some degree--for I have no wish to exaggerate--to all of you.
6 In the case of such a person the punishment which was inflicted by the
majority of you is enough. 7 So that you may now take the opposite course, and
forgive him rather and comfort him, for fear he should perhaps be driven to
despair by his excess of grief. 8* I beg you therefore fully to reinstate him in
your love. 9 For in writing to you I have also this object in view--to discover
by experience whether you are prepared to be obedient in every respect. 10
When you forgive a man an offence I also forgive it; for in fact what I have
forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has always been for your sakes in the
presence of Christ, 11 for fear Satan should gain an advantage over us. For we are
not ignorant of his devices. WEY

If her husband claims to be a genuine Jesus believer, then she is instructed
to do 2 Tm 2:24-26; Gal 6:1; Mat 18:15-17; 2 Thes 3:6-15; 1 Cor 5:3-11 about
his sin, hoping for the repentance and reconciliation of 2 Cor 7:9-11 and
2:5-11. If her husband is verbally or physically abusive, she is instructed to
withdraw from him and separate herself from him.  If he claims to be a genuine
Jesus believer, then she is instructed to
***1Cor 11:11* But what I meant was that you were not to associate with any
one bearing the name of âbrother,â if he was addicted to fornication or
avarice or idol-worship or abusive language or hard-drinking or greed of gain. With
such a man you ought not even to eat. WEY
***1Cor 7:10* Â But to those already married my instructions are--yet not
mine, but the Lordâs--that a wife is not to leave her husband; 11* or if she has
already left him, let her either remain as she is or be reconciled to him; . .  . .WEY

Such a separation does not end the marriage if the husband sincerely claims
to be a Jesus believer, or he is an unbeliever who still wants to be married
and live with you, the Jesus believing wife.
***1Cor 7:10* Â But to those already married my instructions are--yet not
mine, but the Lordâs--that a wife is not to leave her husband; 11* or if she has
already left him, let her either remain as she is or be reconciled to him; 12*
To all others I say-I, not the Master-If a Brother is married to a woman, who
is an unbeliever but willing to live with him, he should not divorce her; 13*
And a woman who is married to a man, who is an unbeliever but willing to live
with her, should not divorce her husband. . . 15 But if the unbelieving one
separates/departs/leaves, he/she should be separated/departed/gone. Under such
circumstances neither the Brother nor the Sister is [maritally] bound [to the
departed/separated unbeliever]. God has called you to live in peace.  . . .  39
* Â A [Jesus believing] wife is bound to her [Jesus believing] husband as
long as he lives; but, if the husband should pass to his rest, the widow is free
to marry any one she wishes, provided he is a believer. TCNT

=:-|     <:-|     Dearly beloved daughter, please don't give in to the
popular "Christian doctrines" of today that teach that a Jesus believing wife is
free to divorce and remarry if her Jesus believing husband is snared
(2Tim2:24-26) in fornication, adultery, homosexuality or avarice or idol-worship or
abusive language or hard-drinking or greed of gain.  This has emboldened some
"Christian" women in the rebellion against Christ, refusing to submit themselves to
their husbands and show them respect in all things, to divorce and abandon
their husbands who have left them or become snared in adultery/fornication etc.
because of their wives hard mouths, their wivesâ rebellion against Christ, and
their wives refusing to submit themselves to their own husbands as instructed.
 .  The Bible plainly teaches that if a Jesus believing wife has a husband
who is snared (2Tim2:24-26) in fornication, adultery, homosexuality or avarice
or idol-worship or abusive language or hard-drinking or greed of gain, she is
to separate herself and do  2 Tm 2:24-26; Gal 6:1; Mat 18:15-17; 2 Thes 3:6-15;
1 Cor 5:3-11 about his sin, hoping for the repentance and reconciliation of 2
Cor 7:9-11 and 2:5-11.

Even if the separation becomes legalized in divorce, Jesus shows that even
such a divorce does not end the marital  bond of two who are genuinely saved:
***Mt 5:32* But I tell you that every man who puts away his wife except on
the ground of unfaithfulness causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries
her when so divorced commits adultery.
***Mr 10:11* He replied, âWhoever divorces his wife and marries another
woman, commits adultery against the first wife; 12* and if a woman puts away her
husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.â
***Lu 16:18* Every man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and he who marries her when so divorced from her husband commits adultery.

'?'  ~?~  ^?^       Do you see that?  The wife who has been divorced for
adultery is not free to remarry, and if anyone marries her, he commits adultery
because she is still maritally bound to him in the Kingdom of God.
Any man who marries such a wife commits adultery because she is still
maritally bound to him.  The snared Jesus believing husband is similarly still
maritally bound to the Jesus believing wife who divorces him because of his being
snared in sex sin.  Divorce does not end the marital bond of the genuine
believers in Jesus.
***Ro 7:3* This accounts for the fact that if during her husbandâs life she
lives with another man, she will be stigmatized as an adulteress; but that if
her husband is dead she is no longer under the old prohibition, and even though
she marries again, she is not an adulteress.
***1Cor 7:39* Â A woman is bound to her husband during the whole period that
he lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to marry whom she will,
provided that he is a Christian. WEY

=<:-(    [<:-(]    [:-(       So the Jesus believing wife is the loser if she
persists in having  a hard or unkind mouth, in talking disrespectfully to her
husband, in not submitting herself to her own husband, and so drives her
husband into the arms of some other woman who will give him the respect and
submission he longs for.  Not only spiritually is she a loser, the statistics are
very clear that the poorest segment of society that has the most persistent
problems for herself and the children involved is the single mother with children.
 The woman who drives her husband away has driven herself to the hardest lot
in American society.

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