Hi Caryl

I totally agree. We should not require dues. We can ask for donations.

While the story is confused, my understanding is that the funds which you described as 'carelessly disbursed' were from a grant and not from donations to Sugar Labs.

Tony

On 05/24/2016 08:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
Hi All….

Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good money off to be used in a similar fashion.

Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences, booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors."

Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover their expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion.

I am not alone in this.

I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only way to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet."

I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues… a new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks!

Caryl

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From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400
To: tony_ander...@usa.net
CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements

Hi!

On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net <mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote:

    I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I
    understand we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have
    the money arrive in our funds.


That's right.

The #1 service for member projects listed at http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ is:

    *Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations*

    Member projects can receive earmarked donations through
    Conservancy. Since Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated
    in New York, donors can often deduct the donation on their USA
    taxes. Additionally, the donors can indicate that their donation
    should be used to advance a specific member project, and those
    funds are kept in a separate account for the member project by
    Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from having to
    commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or having
    to set up their own project specific account.

    Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some
    limits that the law places on what member projects can do with
    their assets, but those limits are the same as if the project was
    an independent non-profit entity. Usually, the project leadership
    instructs Conservancy's leadership on how the project's funds are
    spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the project's behalf on
    any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under
    Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses
    of earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are:

      o funding travel expenses for project developers to attend
        relevant conferences.
      o domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment
        purchases.
      o purchasing media for distribution of project software at
        conferences and events.
      o paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the
        project's software and its documentation.
      o sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project.
      o trademark registration and enforcement.
      o FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity.


http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ says,

    *Donate to Our Member Projects*


    Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for
    its member projects. Donation links for these directed donation
    programs are typically found on the individual websites of our
    members.


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate says,

    Mail us a check

    Please make your check payable to:


    Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.

    and place this note in the memo field:


    Directed donation: Sugar Labs

    Checks should then be mailed to:


    Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.

    137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380

    Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548

    USA


    This needs to be made very clear on the web site.


Sure :) Please draft something for what you think should be on the website donation page :)

    I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the
    question. If it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel
    comfortable with.


I don't understand your point :)

--
Cheers
Dave

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