2017-08-10 14:13 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> > wrote: > >> I totally agree with walter with the point of simplicity. It is almost >> impossible to get money from SFC and i believe if we want to agree on this >> motion. It should be included as responsibility. >> > > Please explain how this proposal addresses the issue I referred to. I > don't see how more professional reporting on our part impacts the internal > workings of the SFC. >
Walter, More professional reporting on our part impacts the internal workings of our community, and it is them #our members# who we work for. My proposal's objective is to* assure an updated wiki page with the financial reports of the latest quarter* so our members can help us oversight. According to Adam's report, we can afford to have someone watching carefully communications and correspondent transactions with SFC. *This takes time and it is a responsibility therefore should be compensated fairly.* Until Ignacio and/or mentors and learners come with an equivalent "automatic" implementation for publishing the reports in the SL wiki page, I ask you to reconsider your vote. Regards and blessings for all, Laura V > > -walter > >> >> Ignacio had same experience, i am having the same issue now. >> >> On Aug 10, 2017 1:53 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I disagree. While the quality of the reporting left much to be desired, >>> the relative importance of this issue to our organization seems to be >>> pretty minor. That said, if there was some assurance that a FM could >>> somehow light a fire under the SFC regarding responsiveness to financial >>> inquiries, e.g., Samson's request for a travel advance to procure his visa, >>> then I would be all for it. But that seems to be a structural issue within >>> the SFC, not within Sugar Labs. >>> >>> -walter >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah i totally agree... >>>> >>>> +1 Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi SLOB's and members all, >>>>> >>>>> I think we should learn from experience and start compensating doing >>>>> all this work for Sugar Lab's Organization [keeping track of >>>>> communications >>>>> and transactions with the Software Freedom Conservancy]. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Motion: *Sugar Labs Financial Manager will have a monthly >>>>> compensation of US$ TBD* in exchange for: >>>>> 1 complete financial report per quarter and it's publication on the >>>>> Sugar Labs Finance Wiki page maximum 30 calendar days after the end of the >>>>> period. The format to be used should be compatible with the >>>>> International Financial Reporting Standards* or it's equivalent in the >>>>> U.S.. >>>>> >>>>> *see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Financial_Report >>>>> ing_Standards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To approve the proposed motion simplifies the July, 2016 SLOB's >>>>> motion/decision >>>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions>, assigns a >>>>> monthly compensation for the Financial Manager and above all, *assures >>>>> community has timely access to reports*. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope another SLOB can second the motion in order to start voting. >>>>> Suggestions to define the value are also welcome from all, specially from >>>>> Adam :D >>>>> >>>>> Below I pasted some extracts from background emailing about the >>>>> subject in case anyone interested in reading. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards and blessings, >>>>> >>>>> Laura V >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2017-08-05 19:31 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There was (and still seems to be) a lot of confusion regarding the >>>>>> topic of a treasurer's report. I think the main problem is that most of >>>>>> you >>>>>> are thinking of the SugarLabs "Books" (a big ledger will all the personal >>>>>> identifying information Adam was referring to) instead of a simple >>>>>> "Treasurers Report" which just includes the pertinent information >>>>>> without >>>>>> all the identifying details. The former, the "books," should be available >>>>>> to the SLOBs on request on a view only basis as mentioned elsewhere in >>>>>> this >>>>>> thread. The latter, the Treasurer's Report, should be available to all >>>>>> Sugar Labs members and other interested parties as appropriate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it is all the years I have spent in many types of organizations >>>>>> (4H, Girl Scouts, homeowner's organizations, teacher's orgs, Sierra Club >>>>>> groups, etc.) that make this seem very familiar, simple, and >>>>>> straightforward. Hopefully the information below can help make it work >>>>>> well >>>>>> for Sugar Labs as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A quick Google search turns up this list of criteria for a simple >>>>>> monthly treasurer's report. It says it should include: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. the name of the organization. >>>>>> 2. the period which the report covers. >>>>>> 3. the cash balance at the beginning of the period. >>>>>> 4. the income received during the period (with sources) >>>>>> 5. the expenses paid during the period (with what it was for and >>>>>> who was paid ... name only, no PII). >>>>>> 6. the cash balance at the end of the period. >>>>>> 7. the signature of the treasurer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another easy to follow resource is this description of how to put >>>>>> such a report together: https://www.energizeinc.com/ar >>>>>> t/treasurers-report >>>>>> >>>>>> (Note: the sample they refer to in this is missing... you have to buy >>>>>> the book to see it!). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday's financial report was very confusing and seeing Adam's >>>>>> email just seemed to make it worse. Maybe going forward we can simplify >>>>>> and >>>>>> we all will know what is happening. Oh, and by the way, there is no need >>>>>> to >>>>>> make the Income negative and the Expenses positive. This is for us, not >>>>>> the >>>>>> SFC. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Caryl >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Tony >>>>>> Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:07:55 AM >>>>>> *To:* SLOBs; IAEP SugarLabs >>>>>> *Subject:* [IAEP] Meeting August 4, 2017 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am amazed at the discussion on finance. >>>>>> >>>>>> The governing bylaw is at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ >>>>>> Oversight_Board/Decisions July 1, 2016. >>>>>> Oversight Board/Decisions - Sugar Labs >>>>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions> >>>>>> wiki.sugarlabs.org >>>>>> This page (largely complete) is intended to be a one-stop place for >>>>>> reviewing all of the Sugar Labs oversight board (SLOB) actions and >>>>>> decisions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our Finance Manager is Adam Holt. He must authorize every petty cash >>>>>> transaction (<$200) and the board must approve all other transactions. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am sure that in a given quarter, the number of approved >>>>>> transactions is less than a dozen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The quarterly report is the starting balance, transactions reporting >>>>>> receipts, transactions reporting expenses, and an ending balance. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect all of this could be could be recorded on fewer than a >>>>>> dozen 80 column punched cards. (About 10-6 GB). >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> #WeCanDoBetter >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SLOBs mailing list >>>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >>> >> > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > <http://www.sugarlabs.org> > -- Laura V. * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org* “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” ~ Laura Victoria Happy Learning! #LearningByDoing #Projects4good #IDesignATSugarLabs #WeCanDoBetter
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