I consider it a tapeless enviornment even though I use tape as back-store 
as it is a closed system.  No media out, no media in, except to add 
capacity.  I don't treat the tapes inside the environement any different 
than I would for a disk drive.  If anything, my increamental increase is 
smaller at 20GB raw per tape.

There are newer systems, i.e. IBM 7720 and the Bustec systems, which uses 
disk for backstore.

Thanks

Bill Bishop

Specialist
Mainframe Support Group
Server Development & Support
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc.
bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com
(502) 570-6143



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Bill (and others that have stated they are tapeless), at the end of the
day, where does your inactive data (i.e. the virtual tape) reside? On a
physical tape, a physical disk, other? 

I'm trying to understand if we're all working of the same definition of
tapeless (in my mind, a back-end physical tape is not tapeless). 

Thanks,
Bart 

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We replicate all tape  files offsite.  Our disk system environment is
kept 
replicated to a second set of disks.

Backups taken to virtual tapes locally are copied to the second tape 
library.  This is both full volume and HSM.

Long-term data retention is managed by retention dates and expiration 
policies, just like physical tapes.

We basically support our own DR site at another of our facilites.  We
own 
a processor, which is kept at minimal capacity,with no software
licenses, 
designate the box as a DR box, and contract for the right to bring it up

to full capacity in the event of a disaster.

We test a coulple times a year, and are as current as the last disk 
replication cycle gets us.  We can be back online in a couple of hours
if 
need be.

Thanks

Bill Bishop

Specialist
Mainframe Support Group
Server Development & Support
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc.
bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com
(502) 570-6143

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