I guess I should note that I am speaking only as an application developer. So I come at it from a different perspective than most of those on this list.
But a few things I miss from VSE: - Superior JCL symbolics. - System level symbolics availble for use in batch JCL. - JCL "DATE" card to override system date. - Return code checking that actually makes sense (can anyone give a good reason for how COND works?). - LIBDEF statements for setting/overriding a library search chain. - JCL symbolics available to batch FTP client. - JCL (JECL) FNO parm for setting FORMDEF/PAGEDEF/FORMS/etc. by specifying a single name. Those are what I can think of offhand. I notice that all of my beefs with z/OS have to do with JCL. Interesting; I'd never really thought about it in that context. Frank -- Frank Swarbrick Applications Architect - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO USA P: 303-235-1403 On 2/28/2010 at 4:00 PM, in message <527308.35953...@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Ed Gould <ps2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ________________________________ > From: Frank Swarbrick <frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com> > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 2:52:46 AM > Subject: Re: Item on TPF > --------------SNIP------------------------------- > > In my opinion only. I could list probably 20 things I miss from VSE. But I > don't want to bore everyone. > The main reason we are converting, as far as I can tell, is that z/OS is > just better supported, but by IBM and by ISVs. I don't think anyone here is > unhappy with how VSE works. > Again, don't get me wrong, z/OS has a lot of good stuff. But it seems to be > missing some things that I have found to be very useful on VSE. > ------------------------SNIP--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I do not know about you but there is a list a mile long about the things I > hated about DOS. > One of the most difficult things that I ran across were split cylinders. DOS > documentation was in my opinion horrid. After reading the "doc" (I used that > term loosely) I had to go to our local IBM rep. He read it over and admitted > he didn't quite understand it. So he called up a friend of his in Hiedleberg > (Germany), and he got a quick lesson so he explained it to me. I guess I > understood it but as soon as I saw it used in DOS "JCL" (that is a laugh) It > baffled me so I took the JCL up to my IBM friend and asked him to translate > and he couldn't (I did not feel bad). He called his friend again and the > friend was puzzled but good through it and I got on the phone and we went > step by step through it. I walked away hating DOS forever more. There were > other idiosyncrasies that was so stupid I just shook my head and thought I > would be so happy never to see DOS again for the rest of my life. I didn't > either. > I was happy to work on MFT it did make sense. > > When I got out of the army the OS we were running was MFT and soon upgraded > to OS/VS2 then I switched jobs and have been MVS ever since. > > YUCK DOS SUCKED. > > Ed > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > >>> The information contained in this electronic communication and any document attached hereto or transmitted herewith is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy this communication. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
