>There are several system address spaces that must be canceled to shut >them down. AXR and TN3270 are the only two I can think of that use FORCE >ARM.
Until a short while ago, RRS was one of those that needed to be FORCE,ARMed. IBM has finally seen the light and provided a 'normal shutdown' command for it. Took them long enough! Add to that the archaic AVM (availability manager) product. The only exploiter I have ever seen is IMS, so we ran this. That stupid thing also needed to come down via force,arm, *and* it had the gall to write a (scheduled, non- suppressible) dump for every abenda22 it got. When I tried to get IBM to fix the stupid dump, I ran into a wall. They didn't even understand the *problem*! On the other hand, if they wanted the address space not to be terminated in any way, they should have made sure it isn't seen on a D A command (just like any system address space isn't seen in such a generic command). Which IBM support also did not understand. So using FORCE (because development dollars are insufficient?) has a very long history with IBM. As for using it to terminate a non-cancelable address space: Have you ever tried to terminate an IMS BMP that had a abend and didn't voluntarily come down? You'll get caught in a 'non-cancelable, use force arm' - 'must be canceled before force arm'ing it' message loop. Most especially when that BMP isn't really known to IMS anymore. The only way to get that down is an IMS restart, which makes a lot of development people *very* happy during the day. In some cases I was able to terminate that BMP using the callrtm program that floats around. Lately, that didn't work anymore. Oh, and the cause was usually an abend878-10 during testing when some compuware product didn't clean up after themselves. Their software support was also useless, they didn't understand the problem. >Silly lad, of course ARM has nothing to with ARM! ROTFLMAO! Regards, Barbara Nitz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
