On 21 Jul 2010 11:38:27 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 7/21/2010 1:25 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: >> Binyamin Dissen wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris >>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am >>> :>appalled that a function is installed that requires a FORCE for it to >>> :>shutdown. If I were a systems programmer, I would APAR that at a >>> :>severity 2 and escalate if not accepted. FORCE or even CANCEL should >>> :>not be a part of normal shutdown practice. >>> >>> That has been part of the normal shutdown since at least early Z, and >>> quite >>> possibly in OS390 (do not have enough neurons to save all this info) >> >> In spite of it being somewhat scary looking, FORCE ARM is really just a >> type of CANCEL. >> >> There are several system address spaces that must be canceled to shut >> them down. AXR and TN3270 are the only two I can think of that use FORCE >> ARM. >> > >TN3270 on my system (z/OS 1.11) accepts a STOP command. > >I would prefer not to have to use CANCEL or FORCE ARM, but >I can deal with it.
Yes we can all deal with it but as a practice to my mind it shows sloppy planning on the part of the designers. CANCEL and FORCE should be used in error conditions, not as a part of normal operations. This sort of thing can bite. If I understand other postings and from what I recall from 20 years ago when I was an active systems programmer, FORCE ARM was a last resort, not a normal way to do things. If we believe in such things as orderly shutdown, then everything should be designed to be shut down. Of course, I may be spoiled. When I shut down my Windows XP and Windows 7 computers all of wild and wonderful processes (anti-virus, printer monitor, etc.) automagically shut down when either shutdown or restart is selected. Clark Morris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
