Yes Tony, You make a good point. Our US folks have a habit of saying NEW with no glide, so it ends up as NOO. 'I bought a NOO car today'. Of course it's not left there, as the cold mornings in the US can provide much Morning DOO (DEW with the glide). Mind you it's hard to imagine any US person using FEW without the glide, 'I had a FOO too many drinks'. it's also there in Church, where we sit in our usual seat or PEW, with the glide. Again it would be unthinkable of anyone saying 'well I attended Church today and sat in my usual POO'.
Maybe off center in this thread, but still interesting to digest. Colin Pearce -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 1:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ñ(X'69') character and SYSLOG display On 1 February 2011 11:10, Juan Mautalen <jgmauta...@yahoo.com.ar> wrote: > Yes, that correct. Its pronounciation is very different from N. For instance, > "ÑOM" in spanish is pronounced as GNOM in english. GN is a fairly unlikely English representation of Spanish Ñ or ñ. In ordinary English orthography, an initial GN has the G completely silent, and the N unaffected, so an English GNOM would be indistinguishable from an English NOM. The same is true for initial KN. There are exceptions, of course (what would English spelling be without them?), as well as dialectical and historical differences. It's easy to say that Spanish Ñ is the initial sound in English words like NEW, but there are some not so uncommon English dialects in which NEW has no glide and is indistinguishable from NOO. Perhaps one unambiguous way of putting it is to tell the English reader that Ñ is the sound you'd get if you put an ordinary N sound in front of the English word YOU. Regardless, the accent is evidently very important in Spanish, the classic example being "feliz año nuevo" vs "feliz ano nuevo". Tony H. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to "Sender" are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
