IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU> wrote on 08/16/2006 
07:01:12 PM:

> I'm having a disagreement with IBM Support for a product.  I need to 
quote
> chapter and verse (of doc that may not even exist) on the use of FORCE. 
I
> have found a situation that requires use of FORCE if parts of Unix 
System
> Services are brought down prior to shutting the product down.   The 
product
> can be canceled (but not stopped) up to the point it gets an EC6 abend; 
> once it gets an EC6 abend, a cancel is ignored.  Level 2 says the 
problem
> is in the order we are doing our shutdown. I contend he is right but 
that
> doesn't justify need of the FORCE. 
> 
> BTW, that's a real "temination at end of memory" FORCE, not a FORCE,ARM.
> 
> In the PMR I said that need for a FORCE represents a bug, but I don't 
> really know if that is true.  Is there any official IBM take on this?  I 

> can feel a "broken as Designed" in the wings, but I doubt need for a 
FORCE
> was really part of the design. 
> 

  I looked at the PMR, and it does not mention a dump of the 
address space in question after the CANCEL was done.  A dump would be 
required to figure out what is going on before trying to decide if there
is a problem which could be fixed.

  In general, the need for FORCE does not necessarily mean there is a bug.
It depends on the specifics of the situation in question. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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