In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/25/2007
   at 05:03 PM, Don Leahy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>However, ISPF forces you to remember a *lot* of data set names.  To
>the  system programmers on this list that may not be a big deal,
>(everything that  matters starts with SYS1.* right?)

Wrong, and irrelevant; there are plenty that don't, and too many to
remember in any event. However, there *are* tools in vanilla ISPF to
deal with data set lists.

>Navigation is another issue.  If I had a dollar for every time I
>told a  newbie "No, you have to go to 3.1 to do that" I could have
>retired 5 years  ago. 

The navigation issues in the GUI world are equally frustrating.

>This becomes second nature after a while, but is there no standard 
>member list on which you can do everything?

Nor are there such standards in the GUI world.

>What's a newbie to think?

That it's software.

>And yes, I know each one of these complaints probably has a
>historical or  technical justification of some sort,

More to the point, each of those complaints applies equally well to
the GUI world. And please don't tell me that the solution is emacs.

-- 
     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
     ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html> 
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

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