On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:52:38 -0500, Alan Altmark 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>And if you're in a Real PoC, even on a z10, I think you want Real z/VM.  z/VM
>EE does not include RACF (for those so inclined) or RSCS.  And I would think
>you'd want to play with those (RACF, at least) in a PoC.  And everyone, even
>z10ers, will have to navigate IBM waters to get real z/VM.
>

The way I understand IBM is not selling a real z/VM which works on IFLs and 
another real z/VM which runs on CPs. The cost is indeed very, very modest 
although in running z/VM V5.3, we have to pay extra for RACF along with 
DIRMAINT and I do not see any RSCS packaged. The above seem to imply 
RACF and RSCS come packaged in the real z/VM as standard equipment. If 
this is indeed true, can you verify it and I will go back and request a refund 
for the last 4 years. 

jim 

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