Joel, One problem, since when does IBM give something away for free............been here done that, got many many t-shirts. Plus it's on their systems whose code is it you developed ? Yours or theirs ?
Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:06 AM, "Joel C. Ewing" <jcew...@acm.org> wrote: > As point of comparison, merge this with prior info from Timothy (comments > after): > On 01/31/2013 08:32 AM, Don Williams wrote: >> Interesting note from a list reader... >> >> BTW David, IBM Main list membership is free. The only membership requirement >> is to be interested in the list. >> >> Don >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: david kramf [mailto:dakr....@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:56 AM >> To: donb...@gmail.com >> Subject: mainframe "selling" points >> >> Hi Don, >> >> My name is David Kramf .I picked your name as one of the participants to >> this conversation that on the IBM mailing list digest. Hope I am not >> intruding. >> >> I am a very experienced MF developer . I quit my job several months ago to >> do more interesting stuff and trying to develop on my own. This is >> impossible to do on the MF >> platform because the MF is not accessible . You need to invest about 5K to >> 10K just to to have it (legally ) on your personal pc based, and there is >> no freely, updated and convenient >> system where you can buy your virtual server at a reasonable price. ( I pay >> 20 dollars a month for a linux VS. This is a reasonable price ). So I >> migrated myself to other platforms >> (OS X , LINUX , RUBY ) where you can easily get access to development >> platforms and can later distribute your product. >> If IBM won't make an effort to open the MF platform for the huge multitude >> of developers working and developing around the world on LINUX , >> smartphones , and tablets , then the MF is >> doomed. >> >> Thank You very much for reading , and I will be much obliged if you send >> this message to the mailing list ( I am not a member myself ). >> David Kramf >> Tel-Aviv , ISRAEL = >> >> >> On 01/30/2013 11:56 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: >>> A couple points (and not new ones, but I guess they need repeating): >>> >>> 1. You don't need a zPDT, RUTz, or zEnterprise machine to develop and test >>> for z/OS and its middleware. In fact, in many cases you don't need to pay >>> even one dollar. IBM's PartnerWorld Validation Program for z/OS is one >>> notable example: >>> >>> https://www-304.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/stg_com_agr_zos >>> >>> That's a real zEnterprise machine located in Dallas, as it happens. Free is >>> a rather good price! >>> >>> Here's some more information: >>> >>> https://www-304.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/isv_com_tsp_iic_resources_systemz_remote_offerings >>> >>> ... >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Timothy Sipples > Both of the alternatives Timothy mentions require a company with IBM > PartnerWorld membership. I may be misinterpreting the PartnerWorld > requirements, but my impression was that you had to "be" an software > vendor/developer to apply, not just be exploring whether you could develop > the capability for z/OS application development to become a z/OS > vendor/developer. Assuming that it would be possible for a small, > not-yet-established startup company to apply, the free Validation Program is > for a limited time (60 days), and although re-application sounds possible, it > also reads like acceptance is not guaranteed, and that this is intended for > development. The "Remote Offerings" option is not free but based on CP and > storage resource usage, with a minimal usage level and minimum monthly charge > of $550/month, which obviously doesn't compare very favorably with the > $20/month quoted cost of a Linux VM development platform. > > I think the point made by David Kramf is well taken: that if you have a > sound concept for an application and are exploring starting out on your own > into application development, the more-than-an-order-of-magnitude increase in > up-front investment required to develop for the z/OS platform versus Linux is > a serious impediment to choosing z/OS as a platform, even if you already have > a z/OS skill set. One can perhaps make a valid argument that this guarantees > that companies marketing z/OS software must have a certain minimal size and > capability for product support that is appropriate to a platform where RAS is > of such great importance, but it also guarantees that most potential > developers and start-up software companies will choose alternative platforms. > > -- > Joel C. Ewing, Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
