Google > replacing mainframe with cloud >> ck the companies statements on 
LEGECY  , BUT PRECISELY pretty much hits the nail on the head when it comes to 
looking at what you have vs going to another platform.



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Nash, Jonathan S.
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Some goverment agencies are replacing
their mainframe COBOL with java.
I dont see a payoff. I think this is
driven by contracting companies who
will make money off the conversion and
managers who do not know anything about
programming languages but read somewhere that COBOL is out of date.

Many agencies and companies used to have in house COBOL, JCL, etc training. Now 
they just say they cant find programmers who know COBOL. Most of the people I 
worked with 20 years ago had learned COBOL on the JOB.

Some agencies want to move data bases
from mainframe DB2 to some kind of
cloud data base.

I tried to get Zowe working. No one
is using it here. From what I saw of the interface I like ISPF edit better with 
add in edit macros and REXX EXECs that I learned about on IBM-MAIN. Zowe told 
me it couldnt find java even thought I kept entering the location in what 
looked like the right spot. I gave up. This interface might appeal to kids who 
learn COBOL though.

I used to use smart batch pipes works
in REXX which was nice. I learned about it on IBM-MAIN. Later they shut it off 
and said I was the ONLY one using it in my shop and wanted to know how I leared 
about it.
(IBM-MAIN) I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked so... If IBM is loosing market 
share, perhaps things like smart batch pipes works should be free ?



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Eric D Rossman
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization

What kind of "lies- smoke and mirrors" do you see that IBM should be pushing 
back on with our marketing?

I'm just a highly technical crypto guy, so I don't write the marketing copy, 
but you have piqued my interest.

Eric Rossman, CISSP(r)
ICSF Cryptographic Security Development
z/OS Enabling Technologies
edros...@us.ibm.com

"Ron Wells" wrote on 10/21/2021 09:05:05 AM:

> IBM needs to push back in Marketing , be more forceful stop the
> lies- smoke and mirrors


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