Re: "That is not where the original reset key was, was it?"

Yes it was, at least on all the "real iron" 3277/8/9 keyboards that I remember 
using.  Pictures of a couple of 3278 keyboards that I found:

https://vintagecomputer.ca/ibm-3277-and-3278-terminals/ibm-3278-keyboard/

https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=9365

There are lots more around the net.

I also map the Right-Ctrl key to 3270 Enter so I can hit it with my right thumb 
(left thumb for space bar, left pinky for "Reset" on Left-Ctrl), and remap 
keyboard "Enter" to 3270 "New Line", also mirroring the original "real iron" 
keyboards I used.

You have my condolences for your current problem, and the fact that it is not 
just HOD having the issue surely means a Windows problem (or upgrade/patch 
needed for HOD and that other software to catch up to the enforced M$ changes).

Good luck, I hope you or your employer's techies figure it out.

Peter

P.S. -- In my employer's PCOMM the "SYS ATTN" function is mapped to the Esc 
key, and PA1/2 are mapped to Alt-Insert and Alt-Home (but not on the numeric 
pad, just to the ones above the cursor keys).  YMMV.

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of 
Steve Thompson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 8:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: HOD Keyboard weirdness

Ok, I'm going to answer a few questions here:

1) I have been doing this with HOD since 2013. Any time something odd happens 
[wait, HOD, odd, hmmmmm], it typically has been some security software doing 
something incredibly stupid. Such as mangling the Outlook Profile because day 
ends in "y".

2) with #1 above, you can reboot all you want. Outlook stays broken. You 
actually have to remove the offending software and build a new profile (how 
would I know this? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count).

3) Reboot? That was what finished the install of the pushed software. So yes, a 
re-reboot was done.

Anyone wonder why M/S doesn't create a Windows Z release? Because that would be 
the z uptime release. Get it, not zero down time, but no up time... Ok. Be that 
way.

Oh, the change to the left control key. Uh no. That is not where the original 
reset key was, was it? Anyhow, no, because the control key is mapped... never 
mind.

You have to use that one to get PA1, PA2, ATTN.... Those are pre-mapped.

It is starting to look like something in Windows is mangled, because certain 
other applications that expect one to use the arrow keys, aren't working either.

Look, it was Monday right after a time change weekend. I think even the 
hardware is tired of Congress's meddling.

But, it isn't the keyboard, because it is on a KVM switch and it works just 
fine with my Linux desktop, from which I am doing missives like this with/to 
IBM-Main, and other emails. And it worked fine with a non-client Windows 
laptop....

Regards,
Steve Thompson

ps. hope you enjoyed the attempts at humor.

On 3/14/22 17:59, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
> Did you try mapping 3270 Reset  to the Left-Ctrl key instead?  That is the 
> mapping I have used for decades as the 3270 Reset key (PCOMM and Vista).  I 
> have never tried to use the Alt keys to map to any 3270 key, as Windows is 
> really funky about use of the Alt key - sometimes it seems to know it is 
> there and other times not so much.  It depends a whole lot on which Windows 
> core service HOD uses to read keys.  Use the wrong service and Alt-anything 
> may not return anything at all, or if it does then unexpected values.  
> BTDTGTTS from some open-source work I once did providing a Windows keyboard 
> interface in previously linux-only code.
>
> HTH
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List<IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>  On 
> Behalf Of Steve Thompson
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2022 5:37 PM
> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: HOD Keyboard weirdness
>
> Hi all:
>
> A few weeks ago at a client site, they force installed software on end 
> user computers (owned by the client) and since then I've been having 
> odd issues with HOD (Host on Demand - 3270 emulator).
> Today, arrow keys are not working. And if you get into the keyboard 
> configuration system, you can click on "Search for a key" and it will 
> go to the line where that key is defined so you know what HOD thinks 
> it is for.
>
> Well, the arrow keys stopped working. So these are supposedly cursor 
> movement keys. And striking one of them gets no response (in HOD).
>
> They do work outside of HOD>
>
> Last time this happened it was the right "Alt" key being ignored 
> (which I have defined as <Reset>. I remap a keyboard to as much as 
> possible emulate a true 3270 keyboard. I rebooted, I reloaded, and 
> didn't make a difference. Someone had me reset the key, and then it 
> started working. No Joy today.
>
> Right+ALT is behaving today. But not the arrow keys.
>
> This seems to be something going on with Windows.
>
> Any ideas of how to cure this thing (NO, I do not have the option of 
> running other than HOD).
>
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson
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