Classification: Confidential I had a long offline discussion with Marna on the same subject. The workflows are expanded in the "portrait" dimension. All of my monitors are in landscape mode. Much unnecessary scrolling, etc. just to click the "task complete" button.
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 7:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OSMF [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] It’s a lot deeper than what you identified, I have been in shops as large as 117 lpars and a 12-way sysplex to just 1-2 lpars, so the size of the complex really doesn’t matter. Many things bother me about z/OSMF besides being as slow as molasses, but it’s the behind the scenes actions on what it thinks its validating. You may have hated Serverpac, but after 25 years it was slick from coping the old layout/config. All it did was build the jobs, There was many times what jobs it build, didn’t quite run, because of a configuration issue, but you could modify the JCL and move on, no behind the scenes processing you cant bypass, at least in my experience. I love new things, IF they make my life easier. Considering where MVS/SP was and were I started 38 years ago and were z/OS is today is SOOOO Much easier and less things to remember all the horror stories. Lastly is the available screen usage, THIS IS MY biggest ISSUE!!! On my 14" laptop, z/SOMF software installation is almost impossible, because you can only see a few lines. Maybe if I had a Mod-5 and 32" monitor, life would be easier, but yeah not gona happen. This is especially important for the workflow tasks that are generated Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of VER Z038 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 8:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OSMF EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Why so much hate for z/OSMF? We sound like a bunch of grumpy old boomers resistant to change. 🙂 I always found ServerPac clunky and unnecessarily complicated. Longing for that is not a hill I would choose to die on. 🙂 I have been supporting a 4 LPAR organisation since 2018 using z/OSMF Software Management and I think it's OK. It has its quirks but so does anything. It suits how I like to work. I like having an automated inventory of what I deployed where and when. I also like being able to model a new deployment on an old one so the bulk of definitions do not need to happen from scratch. I also like how the integrated workflow for a new software level forces you to eyeball and action anything that is needed for the upgrade. Using z/OSMF Software Management does not mean you have to turn your brain off. You can still augment or change how things happen if you need to. Jobs are generated that you can look at before submission. Job output is captured so you can look at it after it executes. In my 4 LPAR environment, when building a new SYSRES, I only use z/OSMF to construct the first system. After that I choose to ADRDSSU full dump restore it the other 3 LPARs because I think redoing the z/OSMF work is simply too tedious to be worth doing over and over. But that is OK. I am sure IBM will get there eventually fixing things that need fixing. That has been happening consistently throughout the life of z/OSMF from the early days where simply starting it would completely paralyse your system. Neil. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ________________________________ [https://go.aciworldwide.com/rs/030-ROK-804/images/aci-footer.jpg] <http://www.aciworldwide.com/> This email message and any attachments may contain confidential, proprietary or non-public information. The information is intended solely for the designated recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this email, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this email. Any review, dissemination, use or reliance upon this information by unintended recipients is prohibited. 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