> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:06:43 AM PDT, Colin Paice
> <colinpai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But this fix management would be done by IBM (or product owner).
I'm guessing that IBM is still on a 2 year release cycle and they still have a
custom-built offering so you're not dealing with a lot of tapes and files. With
as many products that IBM deals with, packaging would be a nightmare. IBM's
RHEL and other Linux distros exists solely to simplify the process and they
don't deal with anywhere near the number of IBM z/OS products. SMP/e is a good
compromise that guarantees everything was performed correctly for your needs.
OEM vendors can easily provide choices because they don't deal with the
magnitude of IBM.
On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:06:43 AM PDT, Colin Paice
<colinpai...@gmail.com> wrote:
ITSchak,
But this fix management would be done by IBM (or product owner). We should
be able to download the image which has been tested by IBM Consolidated
Service Test in POK.
Only if you need >additional< fixes before the next download - do you need
to do any SMP/E work. It would still be there if you need it.
Colin
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 17:08, ITschak Mugzach <imugz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kurt,
>
> I think the power of SMP/E is not the initial install, but the fix
> management (ptf chain management). Actually many deliveries from IBM have
> SMP/E already populated and technically this is a kind of DSS dump (or can
> be).
>
> ITschak
>
>
> ITschak Mugzach
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> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 6:48 PM Kurt Quackenbush <ku...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, thanks for asking, we have thought about an alternative. And an
> > alternative exists in z/OSMF Software Management and Portable Software
> > Instances. In this form you can package, deliver, and install software
> > whether it is SMP/E managed or not. If it is SMP/E managed, as much of
> the
> > software on the z/OS platform is, then the package includes the SMP/E
> > artifacts like CSIs so you can install PTF fixes. You can of course
> choose
> > to ignore the SMP/E artifacts and just repeat the process to install an
> > updated Portable Software Instance in 3 months as you suggest.
> >
> > Kurt Quackenbush
> > IBM | z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management | ku...@us.ibm.com
> >
> > Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf
> > Of Colin Paice
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 10:37 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Is SMP/E needed for installs?
> >
> > This week, I did my first SMP/E install since my previous one over 40
> years
> > ago! The process hasn't changed much. It took me about half a day to
> > download the files and configure the jobs - making the same changes in
> > several jobs.
> > For people new to z/OS "installation" is hard to get into, understand,
> and
> > get working properly.
> >
> > Has anyone thought about alternative ways of shipping products? For
> > example many products are now Web downloads, which you just restore.
> > I would like to see a DFDSS dump of the CST level of all objects and a
> > matching dump of the SMP/E datasets of the product.
> > I can just restore the product stuff,and not the SMP/E stuff, or I can
> > install the SMP/E stuff as well. If you want to install a fix, then
> apply
> > it to the SMP/E libraries.
> > In 3 months time, repeat the whole process.
> >
> > I think we have to do something before all those with the knowledge and
> > experience retire!
> >
> > Colin
> >
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