> On 1 Nov 2023, at 8:24 am, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually IBM keeps selling off products *and not telling the customers*. > VSE they admitted; Optim and a bunch more, they have not. You can find the > acquiring company if you look (often UNICOM), but I find it sleazy that > they do this and continue to market the products without customers knowing > that support transitioned from IBM to some company they never heard of. > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 1:26 PM Jon Perryman <jperr...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:51:42 +0800, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I think you’re confused again John. >> >> To the contrary, it is you again who is confused. >> >>> IBM don’t own the vast majority of the z/OS products they sell. >>> They are either developed by vendors or have been sold to vendors. >>> This has been the case for decades. >> >> With the exception of open source code, it is obvious that IBM owns the >> strategic z/OS products they market. It's true that OEM vendors created >> many of their products, but IBM tends to acquire products when they become >> part of their z/OS strategy. For instance, Cloud Object Storage, JES2, >> Omegamon products, TCP, IBM C/C++ and more have become products owned by >> IBM. >>
Sorry, OMEGAMON is a Rocket product. I know that because I work on it. So is SDSF, RMF, DB2 utilities, DB2 connect, IMS tools etc, etc. IBM have the core subsystems but the critical tools are owned by vendors. Other major vendors who own IBM badged products are HCL and 21st Century Software. >> It's pure speculation to say "vast" and that this has been standard >> practice for decades when we can't prove it either way. IBM doenosn't >> openly disclose which z/OS OEM products they do not own. In fact, they go >> out of their way to hide it. For instance, all the presenters for Cloud >> Tape Connector are IBM'ers and Rocket Software is not mentioned in the >> presentation. >> >>> IBM CLoud Tape Connector is owned by Rocket Software, the original and >> current vendor. >>> IBM is the business partner who brands, markets and provides L1 support. >> >> I'll take you at your word that Rocket Software owns this product, but >> this suggest that IBM doesn't consider it a strategic product. I'm not >> bashing the product in any way because it fills an important niche and >> probably does it very well. What I'm saying is that IBM purchased Cloud >> Object Storage because it's part of their strategic vision. It's use in >> products like TS7700 makes "cloud" transparent to customers where features >> like TERSING, encryption and compression are hidden from view. More >> important, IBM has the opportunity to perfect their product. I speculate >> that when the TS7700 is using IBM cloud objects, that the encryption, >> untersing and compression probably occurs in parallel with the cloud object >> transfer which significantly speeds up the process. When using a cloud >> service like Amazon S3, the TS7700 must wait for the transfer to complete >> otherwise they risk integrity issues like an incomplete transfer causing >> partial processing. Either the cloud object is completely processed or not >> processed at all. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
