Hmm. I mostly agree, but there would seem to be room for discussion of what U.S.-based sysprogs are worth vs. ones in other timezones. It's the "other timezones" that becomes an issue: when every interaction takes 24 hours because the two sides are 12 hours apart, that's a problem, no matter how good they are.
And if folks are being offered the same rates as in the 80s, when the number of quality people has declined precipitously, that feels like a problem worth discussion too. But of course Radoslav is correct that neither complaining here nor to a recruiter is likely to lead to any change. Though I find it offensive to be approached with a lowball offer--but that's just basic incompetence on the part of the recruiter. Probably more useful to explain to them why it's lowball. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 1:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: US Based zOS Systems Programmers +1 On 7/23/2025 10:10 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > First of all, IMHO it is off-topic. > > It is off-topic despite we see "system programmers" keywords here. > It is off-topic, because it not mainframe-specific issue, rather it's > an issue of IT or even wider - about world economy and remote work > possibilities. > > Of course you can be angry for the rates, but it is neither issue of > Indian people nor Indian companies. Even American or Canadian > companies do hire people outside. Not to mention European giants like > Atos, Sopra, etc. And all those companies do hire US citizens as well as EU > citizens. > And people living in India, Indonesia, Peru, Costa Rica, Brasil, > Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, etc. However it is not only about > employees - Kyndryl or Ensono or other companies have big customers > outside of US - is it OK? For me it is. > And yes, US folks are usually paid better than people in Lithuania > (Rocket Software), people in Poland are paid better than in Brasil or > Pakistan. But the difference does NOT come from someone's appeals or > invocations. > > If you want to change the rules - it's your decision. However I don't > think the IBM-MAIN or RACF-L are proper places for that activity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
